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12-12-2012, 12:07 PM   #301
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Compassion centers are usually community-ran centers that run a non-profit organization meant to help eligible patients access marijuana on the cheap. They exist even in states where marijuana is illegal, but they're simply tolerated. In Canada, Toronto has had a compassion center for years. They had to go to court eventually since they were the first, then won, and set a precedent for other centers to open in the country.

If Florida is a zero tolerance state, my guess is even compassion centers don't exist or would be hard to find. In this case, you could easily grow it by yourself.
12-12-2012, 12:34 PM   #302
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Light Blb, unfortunately, medical marijuana is not legal here in Florida You MAY be able to get a prescription synthetic such as marinol but most people don't think it's anywhere near as good.

*edit* Oops, I didn't see your last post before I posted. Sorry!
12-12-2012, 01:29 PM   #303
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A gentle reminder that we are discussing the use of marijuana MEDICINALLY in this thread. Just as you wouldn't suggest someone try and score some Imuran without a prescription, we ask that you don't suggest the same for marijuana.

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12-13-2012, 08:13 AM   #304
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A gentle reminder that we are discussing the use of marijuana MEDICINALLY in this thread. Just as you wouldn't suggest someone try and score some Imuran without a prescription, we ask that you don't suggest the same for marijuana.

Thank you.
You're right David. We should be careful when suggesting that our members break the law. However, here in the UK I am forced (by our out-dated drug laws). To break the law every single day in order to relieve my pain and discomfort from Crohns. Should I be locked up? Or just not speak about it in public? How about on the forum? I would recommend that anyone who felt that Cannabis has helped them should be able to access it. This can mean being very careful about the legislation in your specific area. I think suggesting that patients break the law can be good advice, so long as it is coupled with a sensible respect for those enforcing the law and an intelligent thought-process as to how and were you might find Cannabis illegally if you wanted to. I by no means am about to start shouting out dealers names over the forum, but I think that you should be able to get the care you need, regardless of the law. It is up to the law to change for the good of the people and if IBD sufferers (along with the many other ailments that benefit from the use of this miraculous plant) aren't allowed to discuss their situation online, where are we allowed to?

Basically, I don't have a prescription, it's illegal here, medicinally or in any form. But I damn sure still use this plant medicinally more than I do for any recreational purpose. Am I still allowed to post about my experiences?
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I absolutely understand where you're coming from Alex. On a PERSONAL level, if I was in your exact position, I would break the law as well. But I am not crohnsforum.com. While crohnsforum.com is a progressive community compared to most, it is very important that it remain within the law and avoid conflict of interest and subsequent bias as very few places exercise such ethics these days. You're more than welcome to share your experiences and tell people you're breaking the law to do it.

Cimzia is not approved for use in the UK. If someone suggested that someone go out and get some Cimzia without a prescription because it is shown to work really well for perianal Crohn's disease and they have developed antibodies to Remicade and Humira, we wouldn't allow that either.

We provide the science and the personal experiences so members can make educated decisions. Where we draw the line is suggesting others break the law. I understand completely why you disagree with that and I don't ask you to change your mind but maybe direct that energy towards changing things on a local level
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The entire thread is "suggesting" that people break the law. But I think I understand your concern that the forum is not directly involved in or responsible for breaking the law, in the sense that people would use it to distribute (either through sales or outright gifts, or even recommending contacts) or facilitate the distribution of said drugs.
And I'm not recommending anyone contact me for marijuana, either. I already have enough stress in my life, lol
*edited to correct speling errors*

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12-13-2012, 03:44 PM   #307
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I'm not breaking any state laws, but I'm breaking federal law every day...it's tricky to moderate a discussion such as medical marijuana and legality especially here in the US. Canada has a federal program....technically we have a federal program too, they just stopped using it. Look into Irvin Rosenfeld and his story.

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Past (failed) Meds: Prednisone, Mesalamine, 6MP, Remicade, Flagyl, etc...all traditional western medicine has failed me time after time.
12-13-2012, 08:21 PM   #308
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There was a recent study released about the effect of cannabis on males under age 35. The results? The risk of testicular cancer doubles. Why? I dunno. I stopped recreational use of it over 25 years ago. (when I became a Dad). I never presented with symptoms that made me consider it as a treatment or treatment supplement, but I have no bias for or against. Just thought, in case someone (esp. males <35) is considering it, that this info needed to be shared.
Here is a study from 2009 showing an increase in Testicular Cancer with Marijuana use. Testicular Cancer and Marijuana

A couple of things make this study of interest.
1. The increased Cancer rates were specifically found with Nonseminoma and Mixed Histology types of Testicular Cancer.

1a. Cigarette smoking also causes an increase in Cancer rates (including Testicular Cancer). Check out the increased risk for smoking cigarettes HERE. Could this increased risk in Marijuana use differ by mode of ingestion? For example, is there a lower risk of Vaporizer use or oral ingestion versus Smoking? I would also be interested if there is a higher risk in persons who smoke rolled Marijuana cigarettes "joints" versus those who smoke a Water Pipe (Bong).

1b. The increased Cancer rates were specifically found with Nonseminoma and Mixed Histology types of Testicular Cancer. These types of Testicular Cancer have a poorer prognosis than Seminoma Testicular Cancer (ref).

Are men who are facing a more difficult prognosis more apt to report anything and everything that they have come into contact with that is a potential cancer causing agent? It is natural to think about current and past exposures regarding their role in a cancer diagnosis. Healthy men, when asked the "have you ever smoked marijuana" question are less likely to report an uneventful marijuana smoking experience from the distant past than men who have been wracking their brain over past exposures.

However, this idea does not explain the increase in Nonseminoma and Mixed Histology Testicular Cancers over Seminoma types.

2. Marijuana exerts a significant Immune System "quieting" effect. Although this can be helpful in patients using Medicinal Marijuana for Inflammatory reduction, an Immune Suppressant medication does increase the risk of certain types of Cancer. As a general rule, an Immunosuppressant increases Cancer risk. Some Immunosuppressants carry a greater risk than others.

Other Immunosuppressants that increase Cancer Risk (the increase in cancer risk varies by dosage and drug type):
Prednisone
Remicade
Imuran
6-MP

I do not aim to deter anyone from therapy using Immunosuppressant medication. But, knowing your increased risk, and what type of cancer typically presents with each drug, should be combined with a vigilant approach to cancer screening. As with any new lump or bump - bring it to the attention of your doctor. Cancer caught in the early stages have a much higher cure rate than those diagnosed later.

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12-14-2012, 07:43 PM   #309
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After taking indomethacin, sulfasalazine, mesalamine, prednizone, azathioprine, & a host of other drugs to counteract the side effects of THOSE drugs, I seriously doubt a little pot is going to hurt my nuts. But thanks for the heads-up.
12-14-2012, 08:29 PM   #310
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I have tryed MM before and after RX with crohns. I belive that it CAN help some people although it did not help me for pain or crohns. Here in California there is alot of people that use MM for one reason or another. I feel like this, "what ever flots your boat." I can see where it would help when you just want to get your mind off of the crohns.
12-15-2012, 04:22 AM   #311
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Thank you so much for talking about this as its a real issue!
12-15-2012, 11:57 AM   #312
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I can see where it would help when you just want to get your mind off of the crohns.
According to recent scientific studies it may actually keep the disease in check. You can't just smoke a joint and expect to be cured, although it does help immediately with symptoms. It has to be used like any other medication to expect any long term results. At least in my experience.

You're right though, it does vary from person to person. Just like any other medication. Mesalamine and 6MP can keep some people in remission and MM can work for others. It's hit or miss, we still really don't know how IBD works. Every case is different IMO
12-16-2012, 05:39 PM   #313
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FullM3lt, you commented in the Medical Marijuana wiki about Cannabis indica vs Cannabis sativa in management of your symptoms:
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I was wondering if you had any further information about the positive and/or negative effects of specific strains for your symptoms or side effects of specific strains.

I wonder if the efficacy of different Medical Marijuana strains in Crohn's treatment is similar to pharmaceutical medications in their usefulness and side effects. For example, Humira and Remicade both target TNF - alpha. However, some people find that one may work for them better than the other.

Has anyone found certain strains of MM work better (or worse) for their symptoms?
12-16-2012, 10:08 PM   #314
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Sativa strains usually have higher THC content and are known to have longer-lasting highs. This is easily explained because sativa-dominant strains require two, three, sometimes four weeks of extra flowering time before harvest. In part, it's this extra flowering time that makes those strains more potent. More THC = more relief, in a shell. At least, according to this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2503660/

The potency of sativa strains has often led connoisseurs or professional growers to recommend them for the medical user. Sativa strains are also known to make better edibles, but I reckon this status is due to its potency. From a scientific point of view, the molecular structure of THC and CBD is identical across all strains, so I don't see why a strain would be better than another. Unless of course THC and CBD aren't the major players in inflammation control, we might then consider another cannabinoid we know nothing about could be responsible.

However, this is all very anecdotal. This information comes from a month of daily Internet scouring across all sorts of sources. Most connoisseurs or professional growers will offer advice based on their experience, but the scientific rigor is often amiss. Until proper grants are authorized to study the plant, we will never know for sure.

Out of the 60+ cannabinoids present in cannabis, we only know so much about two of them. Less than six months ago a paper surfaced on pubmed about the potential roles of other cannabinoids in the anti-inflammatory and immunosupressive processes. For the life of me I can't find it now.

I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years, or decades, marijuana strains could be made with very high CBD content and low to no THC content at all. However, it's unlikely growers will be interested in such a thing since I reckon 99% of total cannabis users consume cannabis for the psychoactive effects and the change of consciousness it provides. I doubt very much cannabis sold as "the best anti-inflammatory strain on the market" but that offers no psychological comfort would sell well on the general market. But it'd be the best thing for those medical users who care nothing for the high and only try to evade pain and treat their disease.

PBS produced a documentary called The Botany of Desire which explores how plants have intertwined with our evolution by adapting themselves to our needs to ensure their survival. The documentary offers a 30min segment on cannabis. It's very accessible even to those without any scientific background and is a good introduction to this plant's capabilities. I highly recommend it.

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12-19-2012, 03:29 PM   #315
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I haven't posted here in several months and have only recently been prompted to visit by a PM that I received. After responding to the PM, I realize that I never updated the forum after intending to do so. I guess it's good because it means that my UC is under control and it's sort of "out of mind".

For the longest time after relapsing in February, I was unable to find a strain which benefitted me like the last strain I found (Chocolate Thai). I also realize that I was thinking that an occasional puff would be enough to control my symptoms and that simply is not the case. Here's what worked for me:

The strain that seems to work for me is Blue Thai (a cross between a Blue Dream female (an Indica) and a Chocolate Thai male (a Sativa)). Again, I'm in California, so getting plants to grow was pretty simple. I bought four young plants and gave two to a friend to grow indoors and two to another friend to grow outdoors. Between the two of them, I have enough to last me for quite some time, providing I can find a way to keep it fresh.

I have tried eating it and smoking it, but unfortunately have not invested in a vaporizer, which would probably provide the best delivery for me. For now, smoking it seems to be the best so that I don't over-medicate.

I tend to medicate in cycles. I smoke before I go to bed and do so for several nights in a row in order to keep my colitis at bay. I then go for weeks at a time without medicating at all. So far, so good.

I look forward to hearing from others regarding strains and methods that are working for you.

Cheers!

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01-03-2013, 06:55 PM   #316
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Hello friends,

I have not posted here in a while and figured I share a little of my latest experiences. I have been doing great for 2 and a half years now since i've became a mmj patient. I have joined this forum to help spread the word of medical cannabis to my fellow Crohns/ Colitis family in need of some relief in life ... As I become older it is clear to me that there is not just a little corruption in our government, but also in an abundance of large corporations including the FDA. I want everyone to have the right to be healthy and live happy lives (not based on your financial status). No one should tell you to stop doing something because they think its wrong even though it makes your life worth living. I am here to promote a healthy way of living from an affordable natural healing herb that came to us from the earth herself.

Recently I had an perianal abscess which i'm sure some of you have had and know that it is NOT fun at all. Well luckily my newest batch of medicine has finished up and it has helped tremendously. My crohns have been at bay with months on and off of "antibiotics" for treatment of the abscess that didn't work. They drained it with minor surgery and my MMJ has been an amazing pain reliever through these past few days and keeping my bowels good

Its a shame that these things just happen (3rd time) but in all of this my crohns has stayed perfectly fine, and my appetite has been well, and pain has been relieved. I have my miracle herb for that. My next step is a surgery to prevent it from happening again and I know I can count on my herbal medicine for relief during and after.

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01-03-2013, 07:04 PM   #317
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I also wanted to share with anyone who was interested. Check out the movie "Burzynski" on Netflix, or check the website. This man is proof that the FDA and our government has been using their power for money and no thoughts of well being for patients. Anyone you know with cancer have them check out this doctor. He seems amazing and I would want hope for anyone of a better life ...

http://www.burzynskiclinic.com/

And if you have a Facebook "like" and spread the word about Medical Cannabis and Crohns.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Medic...02612489797660

I usually post information / facts / and news regarding Medical Cannabis and Crohns. Occasionally I post the link to this website in hopes more people will sign up and spread their stories

Peace & Love
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01-03-2013, 07:06 PM   #318
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Ryan! Good job! The government and pharmacuetical industrial complex doesn't want you to treat yourself with a plant you can grow for almost free. Think of all the $$$ they would have made off pain pills from your abscesses. I get these as well. I don't ever want to become addicted to opiates again. The said fact is the system is corrupt. My friend was denied a simple Surgury for her neck because they will make more money off her by keeping her hooked on percocets for life. "Think, it ain't illegal yet."
01-03-2013, 10:27 PM   #319
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Its sad but true. But I think if we work together to spread our words and stories and SHARE our knowledge we can all live well and happy. We can change things with spreading word. I think the medical cannabis family is going to do nothing but grow and I think the Crohns and Colitis family would be a huge step in the right direction in helping this movement.

As we move into this new age of understanding and information it is easier than ever to find real facts and change things for the better of the people. Enough is enough.

Sorry now i'm rambling. haha ..
01-04-2013, 06:51 AM   #320
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Posted a new study here for anyone interested, I thought about posting it here on this thread but it's a bit large to post the whole PDF here.

http://www.crohnsforum.com/showthrea...431#post565431
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I'm posting here because I thought I remember David mentioning the private forum being more active. I'm curious as to what's said in there
01-07-2013, 10:43 PM   #322
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FullM3lt, you commented in the Medical Marijuana wiki about Cannabis indica vs Cannabis sativa in management of your symptoms:
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I was wondering if you had any further information about the positive and/or negative effects of specific strains for your symptoms or side effects of specific strains.

I wonder if the efficacy of different Medical Marijuana strains in Crohn's treatment is similar to pharmaceutical medications in their usefulness and side effects. For example, Humira and Remicade both target TNF - alpha. However, some people find that one may work for them better than the other.

Has anyone found certain strains of MM work better (or worse) for their symptoms?
The evidence I have is purely anecdotal...Indica strains seem to relax the body/gut while sativa strains seem to hype me up, almost a stimulant like effect.

I have been using Bubba Kush and Northern Lights #5 (both very indica dominant) for months and they seem to work fairly well for me. Just a few pulls on my vape every other day and my symptoms are almost non existent. I plan to experiment with specific CBD strains like Harlequin and Cannatonic as soon as I can get my hands on the cuts/seeds.

I have tried almost every popular strain out there over the past few years. Oddly enough, most strains seem to do the job but the 2 I mentioned (BK and NL5) seem to work much better. I have anxiety issues and sativa strains seem to make me more uptight while indica strains relax me. It definitely varies from person to person.

Like Francis said, there are over 60 different cannabinoids and we only really know about 4-5. Not to mention the medicinal benefits of terpenoids....and the vast array of terpenoids in different strains. I know OG Kush is another strain that has worked well for me and it is particularly high in the terpenoid limonene....

I'll be doing more in depth research in the next week or so to post in the MMJ section.
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For me it is the best pain relief I can have.... Whilst being strong it doesn't have the extreme instant side effects as other strong pain killers... I can still operate like a normal person.


Also I can sober up extremely fast when smoking marijuana which i can not with other pain killers.
02-08-2013, 09:37 PM   #324
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I was prescribed Percocet for an abscess that was cut open. I took one and it pretty much just whacked me out. For pain relief, nothing beats an indica strain and ibuprofen. I do my best to avoid ibuprofen because of its blood thinning and ulcer causing properties.
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Funny you mention a previous abscess of yours JohnnyO .. I"m in the middle of one trying to heal. It has turned into a fistula and i've been trying to beat it. My Medical cannabis seriously helps me stay sane during these dreadful 6 months...including helping with the on and off pressure / pain of this issue.. it seems like its acting up again, as soon as it was doing better to .. I might have walked up the stairs to quick the other day ... I've also changed my diet and am now starting the SCD diet also. I will let everyone know how things are going after some time. Good thing i've got my natural meds though, they truly save my life

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Funny you mention a previous abscess of yours JohnnyO .. I"m in the middle of one trying to heal. It has turned into a fistula and i've been trying to beat it. My Medical cannabis seriously helps me stay sane during these dreadful 6 months...including helping with the on and off pressure / pain of this issue.. it seems like its acting up again, as soon as it was doing better to .. I might have walked up the stairs to quick the other day ... I've also changed my diet and am now starting the SCD diet also. I will let everyone know how things are going after some time. Good thing i've got my natural meds though, they truly save my life

Peace and love everyone.
Are you on imminosuppresants? I was getting a new abscess every two weeks while on Imuran. And 6mp. Now I get them once a year.
02-10-2013, 08:06 AM   #327
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Remicade and a little pentasa at the moment. I actually have that on tuesday, they say it usually helps close them .. we will see. I've had them before but its been over 2 years since my last one. I forgot how much of a pain in the ass it is and how time consuming.

I'm going to take my life back, i'm determined to.
02-10-2013, 03:01 PM   #328
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Very grateful for this thread today. I was hospitalized yet again for a Crohn's flare up and have just tapered off the Prednisone (which was working great for my insides and was also great at making me feel insane!)

But now my inflammation is returning. Insides hurt and face is breaking out again. MM has helped me in the past when I had a card out in CA, so I Googled "marijuana and crohn's" this morning and came across sites related extracting the oil and then found my way here.

Especially appreciate learning about CBD's and how those are more important to pay attention to in the MM than THC if the main reason for taking the MM is inflammation.

Here's a question for you:

Any suggestion for strains that DO NOT have high tendencies toward increased appetite? My appetite is fine, so if I can do without the munchies, or with less munchies, I'd prefer that.

Thanks for all your open sharing.

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Funny you should mention that. My friend recently asked me what strains won't make him eat like a pig. I have to research this.
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I am currently using Blue Dream and it has no effect on my appetite.
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