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05-27-2012, 02:18 AM   #1
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This works like magic

Hi friends,

I want to share food item that works like magic for crohns and UC sufferes.
I am talking about bottle gourd. As I said earlier, I am seeing this ayurvedic doctor and I am currently following the diet prescribed by him. So far by god's grace there hasnt been any problem. The one thing from experience that I would like you people to try is this evgetable bottle gourd. This not only works as a natural antacid but also helps in soothing the area (he says that will heal my wounds, though I am not really convinced). Somehow it has worked. I am into remission so I cant tell the difference really..but I guess thats one of the things that started having as soon as i was diagnosed(actually even before that).

try to have it twice a a day.better of you take more...the best way is to make a juice of it and have it twice a day.Just cut small pieces of a raw bottle gourd and make a pulp in the grinder and take the juice out of it...you may add a pinch of salt and black pepper powder to it.

Oh forgot to mention aloe vera....if possible take aloe vera juice.

I urge you to try this atleast for one week and am sure they will see a difference and this is works like a magic especially for people with acid reflux and too much of acidity.
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Maybe it's an option for me, however, where could i get this bottle gourd~
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05-28-2012, 12:03 AM   #3
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you can find it in the vegetable market.


06-04-2012, 01:22 PM   #4
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Hi,

To be clear:
-Do you skin the gourd?
-You essentially grind the pulp and injest the juice only (in addition to blk salt/aloe etc.)?
-Are we talking the juice of one gourd per day?
-You think other gourds would do? (I haven't heard/seen this gourd b4)

Thanks!
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06-04-2012, 02:05 PM   #5
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Even having worked in a grocery store for 10 years (long ago) I don't think I have ever heard of or seen one. Will have to investigate the stores around here.
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[QUOTE=mnsun;455282]Hi,

To be clear:
-Do you skin the gourd?
No.

You essentially grind the pulp and injest the juice only (in addition to blk salt/aloe etc.)?
yes. Not the pulp. But the juice. But its no harm if pulp is taken, that will just make you full. they have the sam eproperties. BTW dont add aloe to it. I suggest aloe to be taken seperately...best if taken in empty stomach in teh morning..you can take just 15 ml aloe juice (1/4th cup)with same amount of water. Thats basically to help in acidity, gastric and reflux desease like GERD.it also helps in purifying blood, thus you get a glowing skin...also very good for people with eczema and other skin deseases.

[QUOTE]Are we talking the juice of one gourd per day?[QUOTE]

One gourd per day. Take half half a gourd and have it juice form....have the remaining half any time in the day by making a dish out of it. I can give you some BG recipes if you want.

You think other gourds would do? (I haven't heard/seen this gourd b4)

Thanks!
Unfortunately NO. I know it might be tough to find it there. But I have an idea. Please contact some Indian origin person, if you can..and tell him/her to help you out..thats avery common Indian vegetable..and is commonly known as "Lauki".


P.S : Please do not have the juice if the Gourd is bitter. you can taste it before making the juice.although you can make the recipe even if its bitter. Just dont take the juice of its bitter in taste.Best would be to get an oranic one.
06-12-2012, 11:26 AM   #7
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FYI:
-This is also known as Lagenaria siceraria.
-It is also called a Thai Bottle Gourd.
-For sale at rareseeds.com

http://rareseeds.com/catalogsearch/r...chbox=products

Perhaps a little late in the season, or not, to grow?
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We don't have those around here! I've tried aloe juice for several weeks and saw no improvement.
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We don't have those around here! I've tried aloe juice for several weeks and saw no improvement.
chrisnsteph Aloe vera is basically for acidity and reflux problem....I have seen more people with crohns suffer from acidity and reflux like me, thus I advised aloe vera with BG. Aloe vera has helped me to solve this acidity problem..I am 99% cured of my acidity and refluxes...after a long use.
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Hi Sid, I tried the gourd as you suggested. I am the type of guy that is willing to try anything! I got the round kind and not the long skinny kind. First of all, I did not react to it. This is a common problem thing with me, I read somewhere that something is good, I try it, and get sick. Hahaha, but like I said, with the gourd it was fine. I have a nice juicer at home so I cut the gourd in half and peeled it and then juiced large chunks of it. The taste by itself was just so-so, fairly bland for a fresh juice, but when I mixed a carrot in, it became quite palatable. The first day I juiced half a gourd and couldn't tell one way or the other, the second day I juiced the other half. By that afternoon I was feeling quite strange and a little off. I think this was because of a die off or something like that. Yes, it wasn't pleasant, but sometimes getting better isn't, but it wasn't so bad I couldn't work. A week later I went to the same market and picked up another one, and repeated the same process, again after the second juicing, but now about 24 hours after the second juicing, I experienced the "off" feeling of a die off, but this time much smaller and not as serious.

Generally, I am impressed with this gourd. I have been trying to take really good care of myself lately with lots of supplements and following a strict diet, so I can't tell exactly how much the gourd helped me as I was already doing pretty well, but I do feel like it helped some, even though I can't say for sure. Still.... If I find it again, I plan on experimenting more with it and will update again if I have something more to add. Thanks for sharing! :-)
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Hi Sid, I tried the gourd as you suggested. I am the type of guy that is willing to try anything! I got the round kind and not the long skinny kind. First of all, I did not react to it. This is a common problem thing with me, I read somewhere that something is good, I try it, and get sick. Hahaha, but like I said, with the gourd it was fine. I have a nice juicer at home so I cut the gourd in half and peeled it and then juiced large chunks of it. The taste by itself was just so-so, fairly bland for a fresh juice, but when I mixed a carrot in, it became quite palatable. The first day I juiced half a gourd and couldn't tell one way or the other, the second day I juiced the other half. By that afternoon I was feeling quite strange and a little off. I think this was because of a die off or something like that. Yes, it wasn't pleasant, but sometimes getting better isn't, but it wasn't so bad I couldn't work. A week later I went to the same market and picked up another one, and repeated the same process, again after the second juicing, but now about 24 hours after the second juicing, I experienced the "off" feeling of a die off, but this time much smaller and not as serious.

Generally, I am impressed with this gourd. I have been trying to take really good care of myself lately with lots of supplements and following a strict diet, so I can't tell exactly how much the gourd helped me as I was already doing pretty well, but I do feel like it helped some, even though I can't say for sure. Still.... If I find it again, I plan on experimenting more with it and will update again if I have something more to add. Thanks for sharing! :-)
It really nice to hear that it worked for you Jabo...I know this is a great healing vegetable from nature..I know because it has helped me personally. It might take som time Jabo..but if youre feeling better, I advice you to keep taking it....I can eat it for life, if it helps me..its just like any other vegtable for me. The only thing I will tell you is...just make sure that the gourd that you buy is not bitter in taste..you should taste a small chunk of it before juicng..if its bitter then you should avoid it. And please keep us updated how its working for you.
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Hi Sid,

After some reflections after my past experiments with bottle gourd and general better health in the following days having taken it, I have decided I want to try more. I have gone out and bought a ton of them, so far so good and none of them are bitter. I live in South Korea, and they are not readily available here but grandmothers can be seen selling them at farmer's markets for $5-10 a piece, but there is one grocery supply near my house where I can buy fairly large ones for $5. I'm guessing I can only get them seasonally and this is the harvest, so I am going all in and juicing a half gourd or quarter gourd everyday.

As I said before, the taste is neither good nor bad, quite bland and not bitter. If juiced with a carrot it is easy to drink. For the first couple of days again, I had some flu like symptoms, but by BMs improved noticeably, so I am still giving it a try.

Originally, I was only going to try for a week but it was going well and I feel like with it being seasonal, this might be my only chance, so I am still buying them.

I am keeping notes and will update again. :-)

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Thatss gud Jabo that you are going for it...if you don't get it aal round the year,you may try growing it in your garden jabo..its worth the effort. you can order the seeds online.
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I've heard there's some complications with long term supplementation of aloe vera juice.
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you must take it in very small quantity if taking everyday..it does have a laxative effect though.
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Hi Sid,

I have great news! The bottle gourd worked! I have taken it for three weeks now, juicing between 500ml and 1000ml each morning, aiming for 500ml. I still mix it with just a little bit of fresh carrot juice to sweeten it up a bit. First off, my Crohn’s wasn’t that bad, but I have seen a noticeable improvement. I went from 2-3 fairly formed BM’s a day, to one nicely formed, to being constipated (constipation was my norm before getting Crohn’s and I am now on a high oil diet and it is taking care of that). Before, I wasn’t bad off, but I was in a light persistent state of flare. Even though my Crohn’s was managed, there was still frequent light pain throughout the day plus urgency and cramping. Now 80% of the pain is gone and all the cramping and urgency too. This course of going from active Crohn’s to constipation has happened before either when I was on prednisone or when I first started Humira. This is the first time via an “all natural” method I have been able to obtain it.

Another important thing to note, I noticed that after I started taking the fresh bottle gourd juice, my BMs had some sloughing on the outside of them. I have been diagnosed with the type of Crohn’s disease that mainly is in the large intestine and photos from my colonoscopies show lots of yellow inflamed patches in my large intestine. After taking the bottle gourd, I could see what appeared to be sloughing of these yellow inflamed patches on the outside of my BMs, presumably from the patches healing and then the inflamed material being sloughed off. This has also happened before when I first started taking Humira, or when I would take prednisone.

I do think the Crohn’s will flare again, but I am hopeful that I can get more gourds! Actually, in case it is no longer available, I have frozen 7 bags filled with 500ml of bottle gourd in my freezer as an emergency backup plan. Also….. even though I feel it in my heart, I can’t say in my experiment that it was 100% percent the bottle gourd. As I mentioned before, I am the type of guy that is will to try anything so I was actually taking over 20 pills of different over the counter supplements a day. Basically, anything that other people said was working for them I bought and had been taking those supplements for a many months, so it is possible that they were in part responsible for helping out too. After about 10 days of drinking bottle gourd juice, I stopped most of them except vitamin D, fish oil, and probiotics, and continued to see improvement.

So in conclusion, I will continue to take it! And I would really like to recommend other people to please try juicing bottle gourd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabash I know that you often repeated post after post about bottle gourd, so I am really appreciative that you did! Thank you for your persistence.
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Trust me buddy its an amazing feeling when you know that someone actually benefitted from your suggestion. I am really glad for you. Please keep taking it.....it is a wound healer. Just make sure it is not bitter in taste before juicing (and that's important). I hope and wish that someday your wound in your colon would heal and you achieve a remission. I feel so bad that my friends in USA don't get them...here in India its easily available just you get in S.Korea. Take care buddy and keep us updated.
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Dear Sid,

Here is a little more of an update. After a full month of juicing 500ml of bottle gourd every morning on an empty stomach my Crohn's greatly improved. I have the type of Crohn's that is mainly in the large intestine and I could literally see the flaking of inflamed patches being sloughed off on the outside of my BMs. By the end of the month, that had more or less stopped; I am guessing because most of it was healed. But now bottle gourd is out of season and I have gone from shop to shop trying to find it and can't. They told me I have to wait until next year. Before drinking the bottle gourd juice I was in a long and consistent state of light flare. Now, I feel like I "might" be in remission or just having a couple of good weeks. I am still taking lots and lots of other supplements in the hope that they might help to put this thing away once and for all. In the mean time I am already looking forward to next season and drinking the juice everyday and even juicing and bottling extra.

So..... for everyone reading this, I would really like to recommend this juicing bottle gourd that Sid has mentioned to other people. I have tested thousands of dollars of "all natural" supplements including fish oil, vitamin D, George's Aloe Vera Juice, Curcumin, L-Glutamine, NAG, colustrum, LOTS of probiotics, as well as many prescription drugs, and in my experiments the most powerful thing was prednisone, the second most powerful was Humira, and the third most powerful was bottle gourd juice. And one of these three things doesn't have side effects and is all natural!

This leads me to my next question Sid. I am willing to buy this stuff and willing to pay a decent amount of money for more. I usually use a website like iherb for getting most of my supplements but they don't have bottle gourd juice. I have searched on the internet and found that in India bottle gourd juice can be purchased already bottled. Do you think that this would be helpful or has the bottling process ruined it? I was drinking the fresh juice from fresh gourds until recently. And if the bottled stuff is just as good as the fresh, can you please recommend to me a website that is willing to ship internationally?
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More update... Pumpkins are in season here and since I had good luck with bottle gourd and gourds are distantly related to pumpkins, I thought I might try juicing pumpkin. After a couple of weeks I could feel my Crohn's coming back. The pumpkin was more delicious than the bottle gourd, especially when mixed with carrot, but no point if it doesn't make me better. Since giving up on the pumpkin, and having read these forums I have now started juicing red cabbage juice. Juicing bottle gourd gave me hope that maybe there is something else out there again. Bottle gourd tastes much better than cabbage and I think gourd is better at helping Crohn's, but I think the red cabbage juice might be helping too! I'll continue to test it and plan to let you know.

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Dear Sid,

Here is a little more of an update. After a full month of juicing 500ml of bottle gourd every morning on an empty stomach my Crohn's greatly improved. I have the type of Crohn's that is mainly in the large intestine and I could literally see the flaking of inflamed patches being sloughed off on the outside of my BMs. By the end of the month, that had more or less stopped; I am guessing because most of it was healed. But now bottle gourd is out of season and I have gone from shop to shop trying to find it and can't. They told me I have to wait until next year. Before drinking the bottle gourd juice I was in a long and consistent state of light flare. Now, I feel like I "might" be in remission or just having a couple of good weeks. I am still taking lots and lots of other supplements in the hope that they might help to put this thing away once and for all. In the mean time I am already looking forward to next season and drinking the juice everyday and even juicing and bottling extra.

So..... for everyone reading this, I would really like to recommend this juicing bottle gourd that Sid has mentioned to other people. I have tested thousands of dollars of "all natural" supplements including fish oil, vitamin D, George's Aloe Vera Juice, Curcumin, L-Glutamine, NAG, colustrum, LOTS of probiotics, as well as many prescription drugs, and in my experiments the most powerful thing was prednisone, the second most powerful was Humira, and the third most powerful was bottle gourd juice. And one of these three things doesn't have side effects and is all natural!

This leads me to my next question Sid. I am willing to buy this stuff and willing to pay a decent amount of money for more. I usually use a website like iherb for getting most of my supplements but they don't have bottle gourd juice. I have searched on the internet and found that in India bottle gourd juice can be purchased already bottled. Do you think that this would be helpful or has the bottling process ruined it? I was drinking the fresh juice from fresh gourds until recently. And if the bottled stuff is just as good as the fresh, can you please recommend to me a website that is willing to ship internationally?
That really great to hear that you are improving everyday Jabo. really glad for you Yes in India they go for the bottled juice of this 'bottle gourd'..I myself have tried this..but it didn't work until I started taking the fresh juice made at home. But still I will check if I can get any good company that makes these juice.. Give me some time. I really don't want to to suggest something that will ruin your improved health.

More update... Pumpkins are in season here and since I had good luck with bottle gourd and gourds are distantly related to pumpkins, I thought I might try juicing pumpkin. After a couple of weeks I could feel my Crohn's coming back. The pumpkin was more delicious than the bottle gourd, especially when mixed with carrot, but no point if it doesn't make me better. Since giving up on the pumpkin, and having read these forums I have now started juicing red cabbage juice. Juicing bottle gourd gave me hope that maybe there is something else out there again. Bottle gourd tastes much better than cabbage and I think gourd is better at helping Crohn's, but I think the red cabbage juice might be helping too! I'll continue to test it and plan to let you know.
Lol..you know what makes me laugh ?? Pumpkin in Ayurveda is known as stambhana (in in Sanskrit it means any material that blocks the physical channel)...the pumpkin is full of nutrients but it is not recommended as its not really healthy..as it will block the shrotas even after digestion... So am not surprised you started experiencing these bad effects after having pumpkin. You know these experiences just makes my belief in Ayurveda more stronger. They know what food is right and what is wrong...afterall its a 5000 years of science of life.
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Hi Sid,

Coming from a Western medical system, Ayurveda didn't make sense to me, but just like you said, it has been around for 5000 years. That means for 5000 years people have found it succesful and passed down the knowledge from generation to generation. That is pretty awesome. Actually, it Ayurveda still doesn't make sense to me, but I tested pumpkin and it didn't work, and Ayurveda said it wouldn't work, so it is comfirmed to me that at least in this case the wisdom of thousands of years is still relevant. I am excited to learn more about Ayurveda. The bottle gourd juice was hands down the best food for my Crohn's and I have tried A LOT. Fresh red cabbage juice is coming in at second and I am very grateful for it. I understand if the bottled bottle gourd juice won't work. It is very likely that there is some enzyme or chemical compound that just won't survive long outside of the fruit.

Also, did you know that bottle gourd is one of the oldest, if not the first, cultivated food! it also can be dried to make containers that last years! That is really cool, and when I think about it, all other fruits and vegetables decompose very fast, but here is bottle gourd which no bacteria, fungus, or microorganism can break down! My guess, whatever the compound is that keeps bacteria and fungii from rotting bottle gourd, it is also the same thing that cleans out my intestines.

Again, if anybody reads this, I highly recommend they follow Sid's suggestions in drinking fresh bottle gourd juice. If you can't buy it, and you have a green thumb, I suggest growing it! Seriously, If I move back to America someday and I can't buy it, I will definitely be growing it.
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Thanks for the appreciation jabo. I am in search for your bottled 'bottle gourd juice' but since your body is responding well to these vegetables, I will tell you another miracle food that Ayurveda strongly recommends ( am no expert in Ayurveda, these are foods that I am having after being prescribed by my kabiraj ..ie Ayurveda doctor)..its pomegranate. have at least 1 or a max of two each day if you can. MAKE SURE YOU CHEW IT VERY WELL keep chewing and grinding it by your teeth until the hard seeds become a paste..( yeah I know its boring )and only then swallow it. seeds needs to be chewed simply because these granules can rub against your intestine walls...its alright for a normal healthy body, but we must chew it. Try this pomegranate for at least 1 month and tell me if you find a general improvement in your health. there are many more fruits and vegetable specifically for your guts in case of DC and colitis but first you try this and keep updating me. Take care.
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Sid,

Thanks for posting this info. I recently was given Ayurvedic direction to eat bottled-gourd / lauki with every meal for my ulcerative colitis/Crohn's. After being given that direction I google searched Lauki & IBD and came across this thread. I'm glad to hear that in 2 cases so far the gourd has helped. I'm about 1 week into the diet and will keep everyone updated on how it goes.

I was not instructed to juice. I peel & de-seed the gourd and boil for about 10 minutes. I eat 2 gourds a day.

Thanks!
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@Drexel you're welcome mate, the reason why I advice everyone this 'bottle gourd' is only because I have seen the results myself...am keeping well..just like a normal healthy person and take no medicine. To be honest I haven't had many medicines for crohn's as ever since I developed stomach issues, I started my ayurvedic prescribed food...and that itself is working as a medicine for me. The only thing I took initially was pentasa and then stopped it as I was getting better with foods like bottle gourd, pomegranate. aloe vera and amla. Its good that you are starting bottle gourd, the only thing I would advice(very strictly) is that in case you want to try the juice in future ,please cut a small piece of the bottle gourd and taste it, if you find it bitter in taste (the kind of bitter taste we find in cucumber sometimes), then simply don't juice it ( Its perfectly fine if you are cooking it and take it as meal, it should not be taken only if you're going for the juice). this will not only heal your guts but its also very good for your heart. And please keep us updated on how it goes for you. I will pray the bottle gourd works for you as well and you get better very soon.
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@jabo : Jabo I have found a bottle gourd juice which is made from organic bottle gourd juice and seems good to me. but I dnt know wether they can ship it to your address. I will let ypu know once I find more about how they distribute the product.
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Sid do you know if it can be used in cooking?? stews etc.?? I'm gonna ask my produce guy if he can track any down.....they also call it Calabash here.
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Sid do you know if it can be used in cooking?? stews etc.?? I'm gonna ask my produce guy if he can track any down.....they also call it Calabash here.
yes Garbanzo, it can definitely be used for cooking, in fact its a very common vegetable in India and is cooked in almost every household. You can many lauki dishes in youtube. its tastes quite good as well.
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@jabo : Jabo I have found a bottle gourd juice which is made from organic bottle gourd juice and seems good to me. but I dnt know wether they can ship it to your address. I will let ypu know once I find more about how they distribute the product.
Hi Sid, Since drinking bottle gourd juice last summer I have been doing A LOT better. I really had a big turn around during that time. I could only buy it at the local markets here and after the season ended it was gone and I couldn't buy. My Crohn's started to get worse and then I drank red cabbage juice everyday. I have been holding up and now just went off all my medicine for three months now. I have also bought bottle gourd seed and will grow my own this summer! Yes, that is how much I believe in it. I am going to grow it myself.
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I never heard of drinking gourd juice. Is this available or something I'd need to make. I'm highly skeptical it will do anything for my crohns but I don't see why it would hurt to try it
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: kolkata, India
Hi Sid, Since drinking bottle gourd juice last summer I have been doing A LOT better. I really had a big turn around during that time. I could only buy it at the local markets here and after the season ended it was gone and I couldn't buy. My Crohn's started to get worse and then I drank red cabbage juice everyday. I have been holding up and now just went off all my medicine for three months now. I have also bought bottle gourd seed and will grow my own this summer! Yes, that is how much I believe in it. I am going to grow it myself.
wow jabo..congrats. Wish you all the best...keep us updated.
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