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12-23-2014, 02:57 AM   #301
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Hi Basmah, I appreciate your post, but keep in mind i'm just some guy telling people to eat real food.
My own thoughts are that some carbs are ok (if not essential) but i found sweet potato and some white rice less problematic than potato.for my digestion.
Keep in mind you need either fat OR carbs (or a combination) and a diet with insufficient of either is NOT good. (with nothing else to use the body cannibalizes itself)

Is the diet helping?
Can you spare the weight you have lost?
Does your accupuncturist have a plan for reintroducing foods?
Is someone else (doc,GI etc) keeping an eye on you?
When will you add foods?
You will need to add fats/oils slowly as they can cause D if too much too quickly.

If, if, if.......
If you are loosing weight too quickly (or too much weight) then add rice (or fat?) back in immediately,
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Hey y'all:

Here's a tip that I found was a tremendous help to me and opened up the flexibility of the diet tremendously.

We are cautioned against using nut flours too early in the diet. I definitely agree with this, with one very big caveat.

If you soak your nuts in salt water before using them, it removes the single greatest threat to digestion you encounter when consuming nuts - enzyme inhibitors.

If you want to use nut flour early on in the diet, soak your almonds or walnuts for 12 / 4 hours, respectively, dry them in the oven at 150 degrees F, then treat them exactly as you would regular nuts!

Very simple trick. I went from feeling terrible after consuming nuts to literally not even knowing I had eaten them. I also gained 10 pounds in a month.
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Hi Basmah, I appreciate your post, but keep in mind i'm just some guy telling people to eat real food.


My own thoughts are that some carbs are ok (if not essential) but i found sweet potato and some white rice less problematic than potato.for my digestion.
Keep in mind you need either fat OR carbs (or a combination) and a diet with insufficient of either is NOT good. (with nothing else to use the body cannibalizes itself)

Is the diet helping?
Can you spare the weight you have lost?
Does your accupuncturist have a plan for reintroducing foods?
Is someone else (doc,GI etc) keeping an eye on you?
When will you add foods?
You will need to add fats/oils slowly as they can cause D if too much too quickly.

If, if, if.......
If you are loosing weight too quickly (or too much weight) then add rice (or fat?) back in immediately,

Hehe, I suppose with the combo of your posts and the bibliography, along with your picture of Sheldon, I always just thought, "This guy is a freakin' expert!"

I was losing quite a bit of weight in the beginning, and then I stopped when I started entering in potato (just a little bit each day in my soup, equaling one potato in 3-4 days) and cooking meats that were 85% lean (Instead of 90%, etc). Now, I have been maintaining my weight for the last month, and the feeling is very different than when I would lose weight in a flare; in other words, I don't feel bad or gross at all, just the opposite. That's why I'm not worried about the weight anymore, I would just like to move on from maintaining to gaining some back.

In the past, I have tried going gluten free, which helped a little at first, but not much. Then I went to see a dietician and did an elimination diet. I cut out most dairy, corn, wheat, and gluten. I was pretty good about following it, and for some reason I started getting really constipated, and my energy was awful (sleeping for several hours every day after work, and I would wake up for like 2 hours and fall asleep at 8pm). The acupuncture and diet is helping tremendously in regards to my energy and BMs. I don't nap very much anymore, and I stay up until a relatively decent hour. I also go to the bathroom less, no urgency/accidents, and the BMs are starting to have more form to them.

My acupuncturist's plan is to have me add in more foods once my digestion is more stable - she actually just told me to try a little bit of avocado and sweet potato for my weight, and check if I react to either one. But it's all about eating foods that are easy to digest right now (low carb and watch the fiber content), and then add on foods as time goes on. I just saw my GI doctor the other day, and he thinks that everything other than the weight sounds great - he was really impressed with my appetite, as I was eating food in his office for the first time in the 7 years I've been seeing him. I am just anxious to see what my lab results are, although I doubt I would see much difference at this point.
12-24-2014, 04:43 AM   #304
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.... along with your picture of Sheldon, I always just thought, "This guy is a freakin' expert!"
just because i read alot doesn't make me an expert......
If anything i say makes sense then test it out and see if its true.
I'm so evangelical because for the first time in more than forty years i'm have normal shits.......

" but displays an almost total lack of social skills, a tenuous understanding of humor, and difficulty recognizing irony and sarcasm in other people, although he himself often employs them. He exhibits highly idiosyncratic and narcissistic behavior and a general lack of humility or empathy."
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I get that you don't speak on behalf of the SCD diet, I just find it difficult to understand why you'd support a diet even though you disagree with one of its fundamental characteristics (needing strict adherence), and see that characteristic as a purely promotional tactic. You might as well say that you see SCD and paleo as good diets generally, but that you do better when you include some processed sugar and a MacDonald's every now and then.
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I just find it difficult to understand why you'd support a diet even though you disagree with one of its fundamental characteristics (needing strict adherence),
Think of it like this....
If I lived in a house with dogs, cats, and chickens and had bad allergies and someone said “Stay away from dogs, cats, and chickens” and if I took this advice and my allergies got better then I would be better off (and grateful).
If at a later stage I found out that dogs and chickens didn't cause me any allergies I wouldn't be pissed off at the guy who gave me the advice, I would think that his advice was relevant for everyone who lived with dogs, cats and chickens, (i know it's a lot more complicated than an allergy, but work with me on this, maybe the allergy to cats is making me more reactive to chickens, maybe it's making me intolerant of radishes, who knows? it's complicated)

SCD is a system, there is a lot of support and a lot of resources on line, there is even a book that you can buy to help understand the philosophy and practice, That's the main reason I support it,
It is a lot of people's introduction to the idea of avoiding toxins in food, that's another reason I support it, It leads people to thinking about and eating real food, that's another reason I support it.

and see that characteristic as a purely promotional tactic.
I don't see it as a promotional tactic, it is their belief. I refer you back to the support, resources and experience with thousands of people over a number of years.
I have my own theories and they more closely line up with Paul Jaminet's (Perfect Health Diet)[1], but i'm just some random guy who likes to argue on forums and my 'confirmation bias' is as obvious as everybody else’s.
I think STRICT adherence to the no grains/no sugar policy is important and if people can reintroduce other foods that are 'illegal', like white rice and yams, at a later stage then great, but while they have a serious disbiosis then restricting carbs is probably helpful.
It's not perfect but it's worth a crack and it's better nutritional advice than you will get from most doctors (unless it's this guy[2])

You might as well say that you see SCD and paleo as good diets generally, but that you do better when you include some processed sugar and a MacDonald's every now and then.
Now you've lost me, really, really lost me........
It's the opposite, completely opposite, that i'm advocating, and I get really tired of repeating myself.
This is me asking a serious question – do you get that it's the opposite of what you said above?,
Now if you'd said this i would agree with you....
“You might as well say that you see SCD and paleo as good diets generally, but that you might do better when you exclude eggplant and tomatoes for a while.”

[1] Bowel Disorders, Part I: About Gut Disease
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/07...g-gut-disease/
[2] Dr. Joseph Brasco MD
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12-24-2014, 01:37 PM   #307
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The opposite of what?

You support SCD, paleo, perfect health diet, see them as good diets generally, but there are some foods that they deem illegal which you believe are or should be legal (or vice versa). Why tomatoes but not sugar? If you disagree with the official diets' ruling about one food, you could disagree about any food.
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The opposite of what?

You support SCD, paleo, perfect health diet, see them as good diets generally, but there are some foods that they deem illegal which you believe are or should be legal (or vice versa). Why tomatoes but not sugar? If you disagree with the official diets' ruling about one food, you could disagree about any food.
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The opposite of what?
The opposite as in – there is no harm in being overly cautious, excluding more than the absolute minimum (especially since no-one knows what that is for any individual).
There is a real and pretty [expletive deleted] obvious risk of not excluding enough.
Can someone else let me know if i'm not being clear? It seems pretty obvious to me......

You support SCD, paleo, perfect health diet, see them as good diets generally,
Yes, they are 90% the same, it is the other 10% that make for interesting thought. The areas that they are in agreement I think are worth 100% adherence, the points of difference might be worth an individual investigating if they were so inclined.

but there are some foods that they deem illegal which you believe are or should be legal (or vice versa).
The foods deemed 'illegal' on the SCD diet that I believe 'should' be 'legal' are 'approved' for the perfect health diet and widely (but not universally) accepted in the paleo diet.
Likewise, the foods that are 'legal' on the SCD diet diet that I believe 'should' be 'illegal'' are not 'approved' for the perfect health diet and are not accepted in the paleo diet.
OK?

Why tomatoes but not sugar?
The important changes in the alternate sentence that I put up were highlighted – 'might' instead 'will do better', 'exclude' instead of 'include', and 'for a while' instead of 'now and then'.
Tomato was just an example (there is some slight evidence that some people have problems with nightshades, therefore, but my rational, everyone might benefit by excluding them for a while.)
Nobody will benefit by adding McD's or sugar to their SCD diet.
It's pretty simple and you are being tedious with this line of questioning.
If you really can't understand what i'm saying then I can't help you with that.

If you disagree with the official diets' ruling about one food, you could disagree about any food.
Firstly, I can disagree with whatever the fuck I want, that's one of life's simple truths.
Doesn't mean i'm right or not,
I think I covered this last sentence in the rest of this post, but please, if there is anybody else reading please let me know if it's me not explaining myself or just a lack of comprehension on Unxmas's part
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You've missed my point, but never mind, what you have made clear is the danger of what can happen if you become too obsessed with diet.

Happy Christmas... I hope no one made the mistake of offering you a shop-bought mince pie or a piece of Christmas pudding - they wouldn't be expecting you to get angry, most people don't get angry about sugar.
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You've missed my point, but never mind, what you have made clear is the danger of what can happen if you become too obsessed with diet.

Happy Christmas... I hope no one made the mistake of offering you a shop-bought mince pie or a piece of Christmas pudding - they wouldn't be expecting you to get angry, most people don't get angry about sugar.
Merry christmas to you too,
I missed your point?.......now i'm intrigued, but never mind.
I find the blank looks when i (politely) refuse food and explain that i don't eat toxic 'food-like-products' quite amusing.
I'm pretty relaxed about diet, i just decide not to eat things that are bad for me and feel good about it.
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Merry christmas to you too,
I missed your point?.......now i'm intrigued, but never mind.
I find the blank looks when i (politely) refuse food and explain that i don't eat toxic 'food-like-products' quite amusing.
I'm pretty relaxed about diet, i just decide not to eat things that are bad for me and feel good about it.


Telling people they are eating "toxic food" is simply rude an obnoxious. Toxic to you may not be toxic to someone else and vice versa. Many people on this board wish people would be more understanding and supportive. Attitudes like this turn people away. A simple "no thank you" suffices. If someone inquires a simple "I'm on a special diet" should do the trick. If people inquire as to what/why, then maybe there is your avenue to explain without being biased. I have a patient who is 84 years old, comes in once a year for a checkup. Takes no meds, has normal cholesterol, sugar, blood pressure, had a normal colonoscopy 2 years ago, no GI, heart or pulmonary problems. Eats whatever the heck he wants. You want to tell him he is poisoning himself for the past 84 years? I dare you.

I'm glad you found a diet that works for you, and I hope you continue to heal and thrive. But please don't judge others.
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As the title of this thread suggests it is a support group and by definition is:

Support group: A group of people with common experiences or concerns who provide each other with encouragement, comfort, and advice.

Now no one is suggesting that robust and respectful discussion can’t take place as that is exactly what should be occurring but, I don’t know that the last handful of posts are helpful to those seeking advice about these diets.

Please keep things civil and if that isn’t possible then walk away from it.

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I was just reading this on The SCD Lifestyle website yesterday (http://scdlifestyle.com/2014/09/the-...hooting-guide/) , and I think everyone should adopt this idea rather than labeling how they eat:

"What we found over the years is that really it’s about finding a custom diet that works for you. It’s about putting on your engineering hat, whatever that looks like for you.

We can all be health engineers."

So whatever may work for someone may not work for somebody else. Also, science is ever changing, whether it's nature/space/health and food. Someone who has been a Paleo guru for 20+ years might say this year that "potato is the new superfood, and here is the scientific evidence to prove it". Then, there are other folks who may be able to survive eating at McDonald's once a week, and have no problems. It's just the way our bodies work.
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interesting......

Is It Better To Eat Paleo Or Vegan? Dr. Mark Hyman Explains
http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-14166...-explains.html

(personally, i would consider low meat paleo to still be paleo, but many people have a problem with that 'p' word......)
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Paleo followers, do you exclude nightshades from your diet?
I've used different synthetic alkaloids for my migraine and find out alkaloids cause significant gastrointestinal problems.
Nightshades contain alkaloids and some paleo websites warn about them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycoalkaloid

Potato glycoalkaloids adversely affect intestinal permeability and aggravate inflammatory bowel disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12479649
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Paleo followers, do you exclude nightshades from your diet?
I've used different synthetic alkaloids for my migraine and find out alkaloids cause significant gastrointestinal problems.
Nightshades contain alkaloids and some paleo websites warn about them.
When I first went paleo it was a 'no potatoes, low carb' version (following on from no potatoes SCD).
After about eight months of no potatoes (and very infrequent other nightshades) I reintroduced them on two separate occasions (two weeks apart) and reacted to them (snot, lots of runny snot, sweating and weird tingling in my legs). I tried them again another 4 months later with no reaction and included them in my diet for almost two years with no issues until I had a run in with gluten laced hamburger and the reactions came back so I no longer eat them.

I have never had the feeling that potatoes were causing problems, just that when I was not doing well it was a food I reacted to but that is only my impression.

I have never noticed problems with other nightshades but I don't eat much of them and we are all different. I do not avoid small amounts of other nightshades but if i ever notice any reactions i will reconsider.

Short answer: There are lots of different compounds in different quantities in different nightshades and if you have any intestinal issues then it is not unlikely that some of these compounds may be making their way into your body and you may react to some of them......

“To put it bluntly, the only people who need to worry about nightshades are those who already have issues with their stomachs, intestinal tracks, or digestive tracks. Some individuals with autoimmune diseases should also avoid ingesting the edible nightshades but, for the vast majority of people, nightshades should cause no problems.”
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/beginn...e-nightshades/

The “paleo A/I protocol" (and related book (“The Paleo Approach”) which you might be able to get from a library rather than buying) avoid Nightshades on their 30 day elimination diet and then add them in one thing at a time to see if they are tolerated

The WHYs behind the Autoimmune Protocol: Nightshades

http://www.thepaleomom.com/2012/08/t...-protocol.html
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I just joined this group, but have been doing SCD for a long time. I am fanatically compliant. The conversation here seems a bit off and I am not yet sure of the purpose. Lots and lots of debate regarding folks opinions. SCD makes sense, SCD does not make sense... It seems to me if you believe SCD does not make sense, you should not do it.

What is confusing to me are folks who believe SCD does NOT make sense, yet spend so much energy trying to what, educate?, convince? those that think SCD works. To what end? For what purpose? In a support forum, we should be supportive. The only valid reason I can think of spending time talking about why SCD does not work, is if you believe there is harm being done. That would be supportive. How does saying "I think SCD is wrong, incorrect, does not make sense.. equal being supportive?

I will now give my OPINION. I believe eating healthy has to improve health. There are some baselines to eating healthy which includes eliminating and minimizing chemicals, eating food in it's natural state or at least in a way which does not strip nutrients, eating protein that does not come from factories... I see the above as pretty much just common sense and applicable to all, but even more so to folks with compromised health (like Crohn's).
My OPINION, is that what we put in our guts, the part of the body Crohn's is hurting, has to have some impact. Doctors who say it does not have not read all the research.

My OPINION, is if you believe the above, then you should do something about it because the drugs and long term effects of Crohn's are darn severe.

My OPINION, is that you should spend energy, helping yourself, and/or helping others. It does not make sense or create personal or community value, spending effort to tell others your opinion of why what they are doing is wrong.

My OPINION is diet works. The facts are the diet books contradict each other. The facts are all the books say they work. My suggestion is read them all and find one that "speaks" to you. I read Paleo, Low FodMAp, SCD, Makers, Probiotic, Life Without Bread and a ton more. Spend your time and effort making your decision work for you and if you wish for others. My OPINION, is that spending time, having a scientific discussion, when mostly no one participating is a scientist, but rather just folks expressing opinions with little real knowledge, helps no one.

Hope this thread turns positive and we support folks to heal with food

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I question and criticise diets (and other alternative therapies) that claim to help with, cure or prevent illness with no reliable evidence behind them. These diets and therapies do do harm: they make people give their money, time and energy into something that most likely won't help at all. When I was a teenager, I tried all sorts of diets and alternative treatments because I was desperate to get better, and I was very naive. I didn't understand why there were people claiming that if I gave up gluten, dairy, processed food, sugar, etc. etc. that I would get better, when I didn't. I tried elimination diets, got tested for food intolerances, saw nutritionists. And I didn't get better.

I upset my family, because I had to buy my food separately, cook it separately; I couldn't join in family meals or meals with my friends. It was isolating, but I could have handled that, and my family could have handled that, if it had made me better. But it didn't. It made me worse. All the "healthy" vegetables, nuts, seeds, I was eating on many versions of the diets I tried was far too much fibre for my system to handle, and I lost weight that I couldn't afford to lose. And I got so confused about why I wasn't getting better, and went through endless disappointment. I got phobic of eating, because so many foods were labelled as "bad". It was absolutely miserable.

Diet does help me: I eat a balanced diet now. A typical Western diet is a balanced diet if you stick to the right quantities of things, and it's a diet which encourages freedom and relaxation, rather than neuroticism. A low fibre diet (in which processed food is a great help) also alleviates my symptoms. And funnily enough, it's these diets that have real evidence behind them: conventional doctors often advise a low fibre diet for certain digestive disorders, and there's no shortage of information available about what an actual healthy diet looks like.

Does that help you understand why I try to "educate" and "convince?" Which I haven't done on this thread, this is a support group, so on this thread I've questioned (....except perhaps in this post). I also just find it quite interesting, given the experiences I've had. You can be interested in something and want to find out about it without agreeing with it.
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"These diets and therapies do do harm: they make people give their money, time and energy into something that most likely won't help at all."

The current SCD studies all show a very high % of folks have measurable decrease in symptoms and the need for less drugs. I have never seen any research that has any different results. You might say, the studies are too small and too short and in my opinion, that is a valid observation. The counter to that is if you perform a meta analysis, the results are more valid. If you have ever seen one study that shows SCD does not work would you please do me a favor and reference it. Otherwise, I have to conclude, you are one more person who diet did not work for, and you without regard to the research showing SCD does work you feel you need to protect folks from trying SCD.

"Diet does help me: I eat a balanced diet now. A typical Western diet is a balanced diet if you stick to the right quantities of things, and it's a diet which encourages freedom and relaxation, rather than neuroticism."

So on one hand you say, "something that most likely won't help at all" and then in the next paragraph you say "Diet does help me" (Weston Price). So your real position is diet does help but not SCD. I will spend my time trying to tear down SCD, not promoting/educating re Weston Price. hmm

I love the book Nourishing Traditions which is a Weston Price book. Few folks know all the super valuable info in it. I have incorporated lots from that book.
Would you not make a greater contribution by educating on what you know works for you after all your hard work on diet, instead of spending time directly and indirectly putting down SCD.
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I'm not sure where the contradiction is in saying that I criticise diets which have no good evidence that they help and saying that diet helps me. I would criticise diets that claim health benefits but which have no evidence supporting them beyond the anecdotal, but the aspects of diet that have helped me don't just have anecdotal evidence: there's good evidence that low fibre helps certain digestive problems (and prevents stoma blockages), and there's definitely evidence that some foods are healthy and some aren't, and what constitutes a healthy diet; obviously the specifics of a healthy diet will vary from person to person, but the basics - fruit, vegetables, whole grains, fish, water, etc. = good; sweets, chocolate, crisps, fizzy drinks, etc. = bad if you have too much - there's a lot more than just anecdotal evidence available to work out a healthy, balanced diet. (And I don't think there's any need to go looking up published articles about such common knowledge.) I don't follow any special, restrictive, alternative diet claiming special healing powers, just what regular, conventional dieticians and doctors advise to keep people healthy, using the everyday foods you get at every supermarket, but in my case adjusted to a low-fibre version, and with more of the calorie-dense foods because I need to gain weight.

So where's the contradiction?

Anyway, since your response to reading about the distressing experiences I had was to insult, I think you've again proven the point I made in an earlier post about the dangers of becoming obsessed with diet. So I'm going to stop posting on this thread now, and you can get back to making it a supportive thread.

Edit: I've never heard of Weston Price, and aren't really sure what point you're attempting to make about whatever that is.

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I am all for criticizing specific diets, because none of them are going to be a "one size fits all" - even most SCD/Paleo/whatever "gurus" say that now. The human body is a complex system, and we should treat it as such. Science will continue to provide evidence on what's good for the body and what isn't, but that doesn't mean that we can't experiment on ourselves to know what's best for us.

Anywho, It's sometimes hard to tell the tone in which people type on the net. I apologize in advance if I'm wrong, but it did appear as though things were getting a little bit defensive and hostile on this page. But it doesn't seem fair that someone feels like they have to leave a thread because of some disagreement. This thread should be supportive as well as open minded.

That's all I have to say about that. Happy Friday!
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I'm interested in trying paleo diet, I've got severe Crohn's & think this diet could help me! Anyone got any tips or helpful info. Thanks
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Welcome to the forum. I'm going to tag Hugh as he has a lot of info on the paleo diet. Hopefully he will be along shortly.

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Hi all,

I've been doing SCD for my Crohns now for over 6 months now and fell out of doing it 100% for a month over Christmas as I was home visiting family (I live in the UK but I'm Canadian) and at times had things slip through the radar as it couldn't be helped. It didn't affect me too bad (but had some unfortunate episodes) but I've been back on SCD for a week and either having die off or some other issues. I've been finding that with this diet I can't find out exactly what's bothering me and I have a feeling I'm eliminating things that I could eat, and sometimes having things that I shouldn't therefore I've been thinking about trying AIP (auto immune paleo).

So I was wondering if anyone else on here has had experience with AIP? I was hoping to maybe switch to this and then once some food re-introductions happen I could figure out some of what I can eat and some of what I can't. I think I will maintain being grain-free for a long time though as I feel much better without this. Also, are there any books or websites that you could consider essential for starting AIP?

Thanks everyone in advance!

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I've never heard of AIP? Maybe that would be a better fit for me? I think my diet is slowly killing me & making my Crohn's worse
01-17-2015, 05:44 PM   #328
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keep in mind that they are not specifically designed for people with gut issues so i would definitely consider something like the SCD or GAPS introduction diet[1] to heal and transition to these diets.......

The Autoimmune Protocol
http://www.thepaleomom.com/autoimmun...mmune-protocol
What is Autoimmune Paleo or AIP Diet?
http://aiplifestyle.com/what-is-auto...protocol-diet/

also worth a look
The Perfect Health Diet
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/
Bowel Disorders, Part I: About Gut Disease
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/07...g-gut-disease/

[1]The SCD Intro Diet
"The intro diet helps get a head start on clearing the harmful microbes out of the body by starving them while at the same time feeding the body nutritious foods that are easy to digest. "
http://pecanbread.com/f/how/introdiet.html

The Stages of SCD
"-Introduce ONE new food at a time- a two to four day interval is a great (but not mandatory) guideline for introducing new foods. This will make it possible determine whether each new food can be tolerated.
-This chart is based on the healing process that is taking place.
It is not based on a timeline. Some people may be able to add new foods more quickly than others. "

http://pecanbread.com/p/how/stages.html
01-19-2015, 05:04 PM   #329
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keep in mind that they are not specifically designed for people with gut issues so i would definitely consider something like the SCD or GAPS introduction diet[1] to heal and transition to these diets.......

The Autoimmune Protocol
http://www.thepaleomom.com/autoimmun...mmune-protocol
What is Autoimmune Paleo or AIP Diet?
http://aiplifestyle.com/what-is-auto...protocol-diet/
I give up with SCD. I don't really feel better on the intro diet. My symptoms are very mild anyway, but SCD doesn't seem to help the constant bloating, cramping and numerous trips to the bathroom in the morning.

I am thinking of trying the AIP diet. Can anyone tell me anything about it? Do you have to do an intro like SCD? Is there stages for reintroducing foods?

What's it all about?

EDIT: What book should I get? Is it: The Paleo Approach: Reverse Autoimmune Disease and Heal Your Body by S. Ballantyne?
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01-19-2015, 05:11 PM   #330
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I give up with SCD. I don't really feel better on the intro diet. My symptoms are very mild anyway, but SCD doesn't seem to help the constant bloating, cramping and numerous trips to the bathroom in the morning.
I am thinking of trying the AIP diet. Can anyone tell me anything about it? Do you have to do an intro like SCD? Is there stages for reintroducing foods?

What's it all about?
Check out the links above,(What is Autoimmune Paleo or AIP Diet? that header was a bit of a give-away?????) but you might want to do FODMAPS, it's all about identifying what sugars are causing bloating/cramping/gas/diarrhoea .....
There are SCD legal foods that can cause problems for some,... dairy, legumes, onions, broccoli.....
Fodmaps eliminates and reintroduces foods to test for cramping/gas etc

FODMAP Diet: A Fad Diet or Helpful for Everyone?
““FODMAP.” It’s a medical acronym for Fermentable, Oligosaccharides, Disaccharides, Monosaccharides and Polyols.”
“F is for Fermentable– In this context, the fermentation of these carbohydrates occurs either in the small or large intestine. In many cases, this is normal and happens in healthy people. But in people affected by IBS the fermentation causes more pain than normal. The theory here is (in affected people) a reduction in all fermentation will improve the quality of patients’ lives.”

http://scdlifestyle.com/2012/09/fodm...-for-everyone/

this is a great podcast and explains it well.......
Dr. Siebecker Explains the Art and Science of the FODMAP Diet (Podcast 45)
http://scdlifestyle.com/2012/09/dr-s...et-podcast-45/
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