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04-21-2015, 04:22 PM   #1
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Stomach hurts when eating "good food"

When i eat bad (fast food and such) my stomach is ok, but notice bad effects in my BM. But when I eat healthy, (scd diet approved) my stomach starts to hurt.

As if the good food is starting to be processed like it should be but my gut is just out of shape or something. Pretty puzzled atm, has this happened to anyone else?

Im going to try and eat scd for a few more days and see if the hurt stops while eating, i think my body just isnt used to using my gut to process good food. <-- thats my only guess
04-22-2015, 03:08 AM   #2
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are u doing scd intro diet?
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04-22-2015, 07:25 AM   #3
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What "good" foods have you been eating? If it's foods like vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds, then your problem is common among people with digestive disorders. Many of these foods are high in fibre and difficult to digest. Some types of meat and rich or fatty foods can also cause problems for a lot of people with digestion problems. I've never tried the SCD, but I spent a lot of time trying various diets that involved no processed food and similar principles, and it was always a disaster for me.

Processed foods tend to be easier to digest (though there are exceptions, just as there are many unprocessed foods that can be digested easily). Processed foods may be bad in SCD terms, but they don't have to be as unhealthy as the fast food you mention eating. If you believe the SCD makes sense then you will probably want to give it a good try before giving up, so you won't be left wondering whether it could have helped you later on. But if you do find it isn't working for you and that processed food give you less problems, you should be able to find a happy medium of some kind, and find a diet that's easy on your digestive system but which is not just fast food either. While you're trying the SCD, it may be worth while to pay attention to anything about the diet that you think could be helpful. There may be components of it that you can take from it and carry on using even if you decide that it's not the diet for you.

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04-22-2015, 08:09 AM   #4
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The SCD has to be done in stages; if you look at the legal/illegal list it will tell you not to eat certain foods until a certain amount of time has passed or if you eat something and it bothered you to take it out, wait a week, and reintroduce it to see if there are better results. I highly reccomend staying on the intro diet for the full week and eating just the soup and maybe some grilled or broiled mild white fish with little to no salt. Would also restrict fluids to just water and the diluted fruit juices allowed.
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05-23-2015, 07:22 PM   #5
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High FODMAP foods will give IBS symptoms like gas, bloating, bubbling, and even pain. That is because this classification of foods contain specific carbohydrates that bacteria like to feed on and and ferment. For many this throws off proper digestion and causes the above symptoms. Perhaps re-evaluate your diet to remove high FODMAP items and see how your digestion is with each meal.
05-24-2015, 11:23 PM   #6
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I experience cramps after eating broth and yogurt too occasionally, but it's short lived and probably my body trying to absorb the high level of nutrients. For awhile I used this as an excuse to eat bad foods, but those pains are sooo much worse in the long run. Stick with it. It takes time but I promise it's worth it - coming from someone who LOVES donuts!!
05-29-2015, 07:48 PM   #7
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If there is pain, I would introduce one at a time. Maybe just one of those foods is causing an allergic reaction in the stomach and therefore inflammation or pain.
Don't give up eating healthy; there are many healthy foods and if you can't have one, have the other. My son can't have hazelnut or sesame seeds or sunflower seeds or oils. and can can't have almond or peanuts. So, he has mangos, pineapple, and lately bananas. He is able to eat fish, chicken and he has two daily smoothies. The morning smoothie has lots of greens, ginger, etc and the evening smoothie I call: fiber smoothie. He suffers from constipation. This smoothie has chia seeds and other fibers.
05-30-2015, 02:47 AM   #8
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What do you mean exactly when you say your stomach hurts?

I noticed a very similar thing. When I follow SCD I don't go to the bathroom much, but would have horrible cramps, bloating and other stomach pains. This happened on the intro too, maybe even worse.

Junk food didn't really bother me.

After looking around the net I figured I have low stomach acid.

I don't know why I would get the problems when I ate SCD and not if I had a pizza or something. It could be because of the high amounts of proteins, which I think aggravates LSA problems.

Not saying you have the same problem, but maybe look into that.
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05-30-2015, 10:32 PM   #9
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I felt worse eating paleo. I was finally diagnosed with fructose malabsorption. Eating loads of the "good" foods was literally making me more sick. Diarrhea, nausea etc. Once I figured this out, I started to eat a more reasonable diet and feeling better. Might be something to consider if you just can't figure the diet thing out.
05-31-2015, 08:06 AM   #10
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What was loads of good food? What do you consider a more reasonable diet?

From my reading and understanding of fructose malabsorption (which at one point I thought I may have since it is FODMAP, fermentable carbohydrate in high doses). It can be either genetic intolerance or it can be caused by a disruption in digestion, I believe in the way fructose is transported and broken down. The latter being curable when "leaky gut" is healed. Do you know which form you have?
05-31-2015, 05:40 PM   #11
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I was eating paleo with no grains. Unlimited fruits and vegetables to try to get my calories up. Lots of grapes, bananas, apples, pears as well as broccoli, Brussels sprouts, etc. etc. All very high in fructose and fructans. Fructose "intolerance" is genetic and is primarily diagnosed in infancy or childhood. These kids have big issues and end up with health issues earlly on. I have fructose malabsorption I believe brought on by disbiosis and maybe triggered by way more fructose than my body could handle. I am figuring out what my tolerance levels are by trial and error. Adding back very moderate amounts of low fructose fruits and low fructan veggies. If I eat too much in a 24 hour period, I get nausea, loose stools and extreme joint pain. I know, sounds weird, but getting to know my body. Guess I'm into how the body works because I'm a nurse.
05-31-2015, 05:51 PM   #12
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Sorry, in reply to a more "reasonable" diet, I eat:

Gluten free, make my own bread with millet, sorghum, almond and sweet rice flour. Eat chicken, pork, beef, fish, natural bacon, eggs, cantaloupe, fresh pineapple, oatmeal, GF corn meal, rice milk, GF pasta and many other things without chemicals or xanthan gums. Various vegetables if not high in fructans. Salads with cucumber and small amount of fresh tomatoes. Gradually adding foods and listening to my body. Everyone is different, but the key to my constant issues seems to have been fructose and fructan malabsorption.
06-01-2015, 12:56 PM   #13
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Sounds like what I was eating before my fistula developed. Only I had a ton of dried fruit. I was trying to follow Paleo too only little did I know I was consuming lots of foods high in FODMAPs. I think that's why a lot of others feel worse when they jump into Paleo dieting.

Interesting that fructose and fructan malabsorption go hand in hand. At one point I thought I might have fructose malabsorption so I cut out all fruit for a month and replaced it with white rice...the only noticeable difference that I can recall was I had less sugar cravings. Although, starch is just as addictive

Do you notice if you have issues with high galactan, lactose, and polyol foods too? Looks like you have a solid diet for avoiding IBS symptoms.
06-01-2015, 09:20 PM   #14
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Yes, problems with stone fruits and artificial sweeteners. I'm on the fence about my lactose intolerance, just have real grass fed cow Irish butter (Kerry Gold) and I do fine with it. Haven't tested real milk and ice cream in the last year or more. One of my worst reactions was to freeze dried apple chips. I was crippled up for about 10 days. Dehydrating and or drying fruits increases the amount of fructose by huge amounts.
06-04-2015, 06:13 AM   #15
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RNGirl - can your fructose malabsorption be cured? I didn't think it could be.

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06-04-2015, 08:03 AM   #16
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I was trying to follow Paleo too only little did I know I was consuming lots of foods high in FODMAPs. I think that's why a lot of others feel worse when they jump into Paleo dieting.
I think that's the reason that most people have for not having good results with diet in general.
That's why i always recommend something like SCD/GAPS intro stages[1] which stress (usually on deaf ears) the importance of adding one food back at a time to see if it is tolerated.
My first attempt at SCD i just started eating everything on the 'legal' list and telling myself i was eating SCD.
Had to go back to the start after it was drummed into me that "if you didn't do the intro diet you're not doing SCD"
It takes a while for things to settle down and a food that is not tolerated at the beginning may be fine later

Interesting that fructose and fructan malabsorption go hand in hand.
Not so surprising, fructans are long chains of fructose molecules

Terminology gets a bit confusing, fructose malabsorption used to be called "dietary" fructose intolerance, but there is a rarer genetic condition called "hereditary" fructose intolerance. Dietary FI is treated by not eating (or severely limiting) fructose and can correct once bacteria is normalised, it's a symptom, not a condition.
" The third and more likely scenario is that small intestinal bacterial overgrowth is in full swing and the bad bacteria are gobbling up the fructose in the small intestine before it has a chance to be escorted to the bloodstream in the first place."
FODMAPS is a great diet to work out what is causing problems, and it is an elimination diet with staged reintroduction of the FODMAPS to see if it is correcting.
I thought this was a great podcast laying FODMAPS out clearly and explaining the testing procedure
Dr. Siebecker Explains the Art and Science of the FODMAP Diet (Podcast 45)
http://scdlifestyle.com/2012/09/dr-s...et-podcast-45/

Yes, problems with stone fruits and artificial sweeteners. I'm on the fence about my lactose intolerance, just have real grass fed cow Irish butter (Kerry Gold) and I do fine with it. Haven't tested real milk and ice cream in the last year or more. One of my worst reactions was to freeze dried apple chips. I was crippled up for about 10 days. Dehydrating and or drying fruits increases the amount of fructose by huge amounts.
You would be getting a tiny amount of lactose in butter (0.01 gram of lactose per tablespoon) so unless you are eating it by the block you probably aren't reaching your threshold.
If you had a tablespoon of milk you might not notice any ill effects but a glass would set you over.
Ice cream would have the lactose, along with sugar and (depending on the brand) god knows what else.
And just to be picky , drying doesn't increase the amount of fructose, but it greatly increases the amount you can eat by reducing the bulk (water).
A dehydrated apple has the same amount of fructose as a fresh apple, but one can eat 10 apples worth of dehydrated before one is satisfied, whereas one would probably not have two apples in a row

[1] If anyone is interested this link is to SCDlifestyles' "Learn What Most People Don't Know About Properly Starting the Specific Carbohydrate Diet".
they will ask for an email and will send you emails about podcasts and offers but it is low profile and zero pressure.......
http://scdlifestylebook.com/free.php...509.1433421035
06-04-2015, 10:03 AM   #17
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I'm curious if there's any products made primarily with glucose that are crohn's safe?

Glucose aids in absorption of fructose, it could be used to test if fructose absorption is the cause, because it should taper your reaction, theoretically, correct?

The only protein shake on the market I can safely consume is sweetened with glucose polymers instead of typical corn syrup or sucrose. I always wondered if that plays a role.
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