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02-23-2012, 05:32 PM   #241
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You mean they give you people pain killers? I have never been given any pain killers except when it is a 9 in pain and go to the hospital. I usually have to take a stool softener, a gas reliever, steroids, and make myself vomit to relieve the pain to a level of sanity. If you get a chance check out my other posts I have figured out it is all about the speed of your bowls. I have tried every medication out there every treatment and have dropped them all I am med free. I found if a doctor doesnt know I do know my body better then they do and messed around and found my cure took me years but I have a full life besides an every now and then mistake of eating steak lol.
Good for you!!!! That's amazing you were able to figure out ( probably from trial and error) what helps you and what causes you to flare.
You are right when you speak about the speed of your digestive movement and even although you experienced pain with no relief of a pain killer, opiates are really bad for the stomach and intestines. I know from experience.
It's different for ever person. Me for instance, experience severe diarrhea. So quick that my doctor's cannot prescribe anything that is in capsule form. Tablets only because they are metabolized quicker. The capsules would go straight through me, not even dissolving for me to reap the benefits of them.
Anyway, my point here is that more people with Crohn's experience diarrhea and not constipation and when given an opiate medication, as we know it slows down the movement of digestion. Ultimately giving the patient a false feeling of getting better. Not only does the diarrhea dissipate, but so does the pain that Crohn's sufferers experience. It really all depends on how much pain meds you are taking and for how long.
So, for you, not being given anything for pain was really a blessing, because like so many people that aren't informed and educated enough to know that opiates and digestive disease, don't mix, some people end up with worsening of the disease, drug addiction and just end up in a bad situation.
I do think it's wrong that being in a hospital setting and experiencing any pain level over 5 and not controlling it with SOMETHING, is just wrong. People should not suffer and by law, if you are being overseen by medical professionals in a monitored setting, they have to control your pain. That's the law in NYS anyway.
In the end, you ended up coming out and conquering the disease the right way by listening to your body. Your original post was quite sometime ago, Hopefully, you are still doing well and feeling good
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02-23-2012, 05:34 PM   #242
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I did not see this. Ok then you already know
That's a dog??? AHAHHAHAHA Omg that's hilarious!!!
02-23-2012, 06:01 PM   #243
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That's a dog??? AHAHHAHAHA Omg that's hilarious!!!
Yes that is my pound pup Sarah. I was just having a little fun w/ per pic. I noticed you are 33 and have Osteoporosis. I have 2 questions for you. what are you doing for your bones and if it gives you pain, how do you treat it? I have been ddx / osteopinia also caused be years of prednisone.
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KWalker obviously works for a "drug rehab" and is therefore biased as she needs job security.
Actually, I'm a male, and I do not work doing drug rehab. There is so much false information from some people with no actual professional or educational experience it's unreal, so I'm not even going to waste my time correcting most of the comments.
02-24-2012, 07:43 AM   #245
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This thread is a giant train wreck. But there are few very valid ideas.

While some people opt to use marijuana for medical reasons, there are many other forms of pain control that can be effective. I found swimming in a heated indoor pool and doing yoga and pilates to offer quite a bit of relief. Anytime I've had just mild pain to deal with, trying to maintain activity works for me in keeping the pain at bay. The more I just sit around, the worse it really does hurt.

However, on the note of feeling truly bad, last summer I had the worst flare up of my life. I was eventually diagnosed with having upper GI and esophageal crohn's as well as my previous diagnosis since childhood of fistulizing crohns. While hospitalized I was given dilaudid by IV and I have in and out memories of even being in the hospital. On my release I was given scripts for percoset and ultracet.

During this time, I still had major issues swallowing. Eating was increasingly painful. Getting food down was terrible, much less swallowing pills. I figured this would be the perfect time to attempt to use marijuana for medicinal purposes. I had no attraction to smoking previous to this, but I had some acquaintances who were well known for their favorite and most common past time.

After getting in touch with them, I went to one of their houses to hang out. I was driven by another friend, who is totally sober. I found out both of the two could locate product for me. They both were dealing with chronic pain issues. They lamented that it was too time consuming to seek treatment for their pains. Seeking out an appointment with a doctor doesn't mean you can get it fixed, they have to send you for tests and it takes forever. We sat around and waited. Finally they got a text. Whoever they were waiting for wasn't coming over.

I went home. The next day I spoke with them to see if they had gotten in touch with their contact. They had tried all three people the typically used, and no call backs.

The day after that? They made contact. It was going to be after dinner but before 2 am when they were having one of the contacts drop by. I was asleep.

The next day, I finally just called my doctor and made an appointment. Whether you approve of medical marijuana or not, I think what I ultimately got out of this ordeal was how no matter how disorganized and dysfunctional the medical community may be, to some it's a lot easier to navigate than seeking out other avenues.

While I feel it's terrible that these two young people are living in chronic pain, I find it rather ironic. I often think if they used the energy they had to put forth for seeking out places to buy their marijuana into seeking treatment for their medical issues, it wouldn't have been any more time consuming or inconvenient than what they had been living with already.
02-24-2012, 12:17 PM   #246
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So did you try the cannabis for pain? Its as effective as a vicodin without the Addictive component. Yoga and exercise are great for pain relief. My pain is greatest when sitting. Your argument about safe access to cannabis is correct. It shouldnt be such an ordeal, and isn't in CA where I live. There is a dispensary a mile from my house and I'm allowed to grow a personal amount.
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So did you try the cannabis for pain? Its as effective as a vicodin without the Addictive component. Yoga and exercise are great for pain relief. My pain is greatest when sitting. Your argument about safe access to cannabis is correct. It shouldnt be such an ordeal, and isn't in CA where I live. There is a dispensary a mile from my house and I'm allowed to grow a personal amount.
Yes, I did try it. I was pretty much the only option I had which was viable at the time. I couldn't eat or swallow. I found I was coherent enough to go about doing my tasks around the house as well, which isn't the case for me when I've taken oxycodone. Staying in any one spot for too long is painful for me, too. I think that's why I have trouble getting to sleep at night. It was a cycle: take painkillers, fall asleep, wake up hurting from being in the same spot too long.

See, I'd have no issue with cannabis for medical uses if it's something one can obtain in a safe and reliable way. I was turned off from using it any further due to the ordeal of tracking down people that were friends of friends at odd hours of the night. I didn't like the idea of having to sneak around, or going over to people's homes I didn't know.

Overall, I realize that painkillers exist for a reason - when people are dealing with real pain and suffering and need relief from that. It's made me want better treatment so I don't have to rely on them to be able to function. In having a condition which requires controlled substances on occasion, it's made me skeptical of people who are comfortable to just numb themselves to the point of not wanting to seek treatment.

People have popped up into my life with the thought that I have drugs, something they want. Their complaints come off like complete bullshit to me, "I have a bad back" or "I get headaches". It's as if they think that because I'm living with a chronic illness, I'm going to be sympathetic to their drug seeking. Nothing angers me more than people comparing my life with crohn's to medical problems that could be fixed or alleviated with treatment, physical therapy or lifestyle changes. I try not to pass judgement on anyone, but that is my one breaking point. None of us did anything to give ourself this disease, and I don't believe any of us consciously turn our illness on or off at our convenience. The struggles I've talked to other IBD patients with over the years, in seeking better treatment or options are lifelong and not something we use as an excuse or a cop out. Most of us would do whatever we could to have a normal life. It takes a really strong person to stay positive and go through all of this day to day. I don't see how anyone would 'want in' on having a long term illness!
02-24-2012, 01:32 PM   #248
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"People have popped up into my life with the thought that I have drugs, something they want. Their complaints come off like complete bullshit to me, "I have a bad back" or "I get headaches". It's as if they think that because I'm living with a chronic illness, I'm going to be sympathetic to their drug seeking. Nothing angers me more than people comparing my life with crohn's to medical problems that could be fixed or alleviated with treatment, physical therapy or lifestyle changes. I try not to pass judgement on anyone, but that is my one breaking point. None of us did anything to give ourself this disease, and I don't believe any of us consciously turn our illness on or off at our convenience. The struggles I've talked to other IBD patients with over the years, in seeking better treatment or options are lifelong and not something we use as an excuse or a cop out. Most of us would do whatever we could to have a normal life. It takes a really strong person to stay positive and go through all of this day to day. I don't see how anyone would 'want in' on having a long term illness! "

I can relate to this living in a state that allows safe access to medical cannabis to those in need while also allowing an industry to flourish that hands out cannabis recommendations for any ailment. It makes a mockery of people who are legitimately using cannabis for medical reasons. Having said that, I also believe it to be a wonderful cure all that can replace many of the synthetic medicines sold to us. I think we should be free to choose what we put into our own bodies, and creating a medical excuse to use a god given plant seems insane to me. I personally believe that it should be regulated like alcohol or only classified as a "supplement". The pharmaceutical industry and the FDA already have patents on the medicinal properties of cannabis and will never allow the whole plant as it would eat into their trillion dollar pharmaceutical business.

Regarding the drug seeking behavior of pharmaceutical addicts, the principal is the same. They use the excuse to use pain pills for their headaches and back pains and justify using higher doses for pain. Some people do need it for pain however, and because there is no accurate way to measure for this, we must trust patients and give them the benefit of the doubt. We also need more public money for drug treatment instead of incarceration. It all comes down to having an addictive personality. Either you have one or you don't. Maybe they can develop from environmental factors and maybe you are born with it. I don't know. I definately have one.
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Regarding the drug seeking behavior of pharmaceutical addicts, the principal is the same. They use the excuse to use pain pills for their headaches and back pains and justify using higher doses for pain. Some people do need it for pain however, and because there is no accurate way to measure for this, we must trust patients and give them the benefit of the doubt. We also need more public money for drug treatment instead of incarceration. It all comes down to having an addictive personality. Either you have one or you don't. Maybe they can develop from environmental factors and maybe you are born with it. I don't know. I definately have one.
This is a very good point. Decriminalization of drug offenses is something I've thought about many times. I lived in Kentucky for many years, which was formally a state producing hemp. The economy was very negatively effected in recent years, as much of the blue collar jobs in factories were no longer available. It was brought up in community discussions many times when I lived there how the state could use another cash crop.

While I understand and respect your statement regarding your own personality in regards to addictive personalities, the fact that you are able to recognize this behavior in yourself really says that you're self aware and proactive in your usage of pain control methods. Just logging into this website and exchanging stories and information with other patients really says that you are trying to engage in learning more to help yourself and help others. I can't say as much for the people I was discussing.

I think what made me judge people for their begging me for drugs, was the fact that I knew them, and I didn't view their behavior as being that of someone dealing with chronic pain, needing control from pain which was making their life miserable. I ended a friendship with someone; I've never felt like more of an asshole. The guy had an accident at work, and had been dealing with back pain. This lead him to being off work, for the grand scheme of suing his former employer for workers comp and a disability law suit. In the time that he spent being off work, most of his time was spent getting high, drinking with friends, or partying.

He had been seen by a family doctor a number of times, and hadn't had but 2 x rays in his year off work. He had declined having a MRI, and did not seek out any specialists to diagnose his pain. When he was complaining to me one day about his body pain, and how he had no idea what to do to even get treatment. I knew I was going to the university hospital for tests that afternoon so I made the effort to get a recommendation to which doctors would be best for treating his injury. I also researched that as it was a workman's comp case, he wouldn't even have to pay any copays to see the doctors or go to physical therapy in the clinic, that they took his insurance, and saw to it that I got the correct paperwork for him to provide his insurance company to have faxed to get a pre-authorization. I even made the appointment for him.

I had mentioned that indoor swimming in the heated pool or yoga might be good for him, but his reaction was "Um, that's just stupid."

Because of his lifestyle - barely sleeping, only eating fast food, drinking beer all night in addition to taking his pain killers (oxycodone which was prescribed to him, or hydrocodone which he was buying on the street), his health was quickly going downhill fast. He could barely eat because of how wrecked his stomach was. I offered him what was left of my carafate when I was moved over to Remicade and no longer was taking it. He was then able to eat a little more. I gave him my typical "you aren't going to feel better unless you start to take care of yourself" talk. It really was hard to watch anyone doing this to themselves. I really wish he had just smoked pot.

After his initial doctor's appointment, things were looking very good. The clinic I was able to locate for him was a world class spine surgery center. They were looking into finding a surgical fix for his injury. He went to physical therapy a few times and even commented it was working, he just had to remember to follow through with doing his exercises.

I got a strange call at an off time one day, where he called me begging me for whatever painkillers I might have. I had ultracet which was no interest to him. He was disappointed when he got a spinal block for his pain, as it wasn't anything he could sell or snort. He also offered to trade me for a box of Flector Patches, as they had worked for him but same deal - not very fun. During this time, it turns out, he had decided that continuing the PT and going to see the spine surgeon might have a reversal effect on his bodily pain, and he really was set on getting a settlement someday for his work related injury. This was just crazy to me. If someone offered me a solution which could potentially fix my crohn's disease, but I was going to have to work hard and probably be broke my whole life, I'd take it.

The last time we saw each other was at a birthday party for a 4 year old. I always found it strange that whenever he was in good spirits and not sitting around pondering his pain, IT DIDN'T HURT! This same guy who begged everyone he knew for pills which he was snorting at bars while drinking was jumping on a trampoline, and riding a motorcycle around town. He joked that no one better tag a photo of him on Facebook, because he didn't want that coming up in court that he was up and about.

While I don't know if this person truly was addicted to their pain medication, I think what upset me the most was how I felt they really weren't interested in getting well. It ruined our friendship because when I needed a supportive friend in my life, I found I was only someone who would listen when no one else would, and help to find a solution. Ultimately, when the illustrious law suit for worker's comp was settled, my former friend ended up with a check for $5200. This was all he got after getting 75% of his pay rate, with his lawyer's fees subtracted. It took him 2 years to get that check.
02-24-2012, 03:09 PM   #250
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I could easily excuse being in OxyContin. I average 20+ doctors visits per year, have back problems, recurring abscesses, and chrons. I've also been addicted to oxy and never want to be an opiate zombie again. Im glad I am no longer enslaved to opiates. Its a terrible addiction.
02-29-2012, 11:38 PM   #251
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This post caught my attention because I also have to be careful about the kinds of medications that I take for pain for my Crohn's. I am an alcoholic/addict and have been sober for over four years, so for me its something I have to be very careful about. In general this is how I deal with it: If tylenol doesnt work and I have to go to the hospital I ask for non-narcotic pain meds. If they really arent working I will then accept narcotics. However, I always make it very clear that I am an addict and cannot be sent home with a perscription. After my surgery I had to be sent home with a script and I stayed with my mom to recover for a few days, she doled the pills out to me as perscribed, so it was never my decision. What it comes down to is I have to ask myself. Do I really need this? And I avoid them as much as possible. Hope this helps. Good luck!
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I was just in the hosp for 8 days- on my SBFT they found the narrowing in my small bowel. Even after one week on IV steroids. My Radiologist said that took alot of the inflamation down already. Same place as 20 yrs ago. They gave me 1 mg dalaudid (sp) in the hosp. Good thing I was laying down, it knocked me on my butt!
At home I have used hydrocodone. I take 1/2 at a time. I have found most drs are reluctant to
treat pain at home. Not sure why. The birth of my three kids didnt hurt as much as my cramps can get. I usually only take enough to take the edge off the pain. My Dr did give me Bentyl and it really helps with the cramps. I was suprised. Ask your Dr about that one.
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I tried to post on this one but, I somehow posted it somewhere eles ??

You can try Bentyl for cramping and it really works well! I dont think it takes the place of pain meds if you are in alot of pain.
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My intestines drug of choice is prednisone. When I am on it for whatever reason it is like cocaine for a junkie, pure bliss. Of course it doesn't care about the nasty side effects which hit with a vengeance. It just loves the feeling of "being normal" that happens with high doses. I try to get my doctor to give me anything but prednisone but alas it is still the best anti inflammatory out there (usually pneumonia or nasty old upper respiratory type sicknesses).
Serious note though....I lived for years with pain as I am sure the majority of people who suffer and don't know why have. That in my opinion gives us a higher chance at addiction. I was so excited to not hurt. When I was diagnosed and assessed the doctors pulled out their scripts and started righting. Finally I didn't have to suffer anymore their really was something wrong with me. It wasn't in my head or made up (broken home, teenage angst, etc...). It was a scary time but eventually I learned I didn't always need a pill...except for the migraines which were a by product of birth control pills (pills, pills, pills...yuck). One thing that helped the migraines was inderall xr. Seriously though I battled addiction and had to learn what I needed and what I wanted just because it made me feel better. Kudos to all out there who have found and are finding what works for them.
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I was just in the hosp for 8 days- on my SBFT they found the narrowing in my small bowel. Even after one week on IV steroids. My Radiologist said that took alot of the inflamation down already. Same place as 20 yrs ago. They gave me 1 mg dalaudid (sp) in the hosp. Good thing I was laying down, it knocked me on my butt!
At home I have used hydrocodone. I take 1/2 at a time. I have found most drs are reluctant to
treat pain at home. Not sure why. The birth of my three kids didnt hurt as much as my cramps can get. I usually only take enough to take the edge off the pain. My Dr did give me Bentyl and it really helps with the cramps. I was suprised. Ask your Dr about that one.

Remember those breathing exercises from childbirth? They are amazing at cramps and those moments it is a race to a restroom.
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My intestines drug of choice is prednisone. When I am on it for whatever reason it is like cocaine for a junkie, pure bliss. Of course it doesn't care about the nasty side effects which hit with a vengeance. It just loves the feeling of "being normal" that happens with high doses. I try to get my doctor to give me anything but prednisone but alas it is still the best anti inflammatory out there (usually pneumonia or nasty old upper respiratory type sicknesses).
Serious note though....I lived for years with pain as I am sure the majority of people who suffer and don't know why have. That in my opinion gives us a higher chance at addiction. I was so excited to not hurt. When I was diagnosed and assessed the doctors pulled out their scripts and started righting. Finally I didn't have to suffer anymore their really was something wrong with me. It wasn't in my head or made up (broken home, teenage angst, etc...). It was a scary time but eventually I learned I didn't always need a pill...except for the migraines which were a by product of birth control pills (pills, pills, pills...yuck). One thing that helped the migraines was inderall xr. Seriously though I battled addiction and had to learn what I needed and what I wanted just because it made me feel better. Kudos to all out there who have found and are finding what works for them.
Wow! Your theory on untreated chronic pain and addiction is revolutionary. You may be on to something.
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JohnnyO, were you addicted to opiates? I was and once I got off them the pain slowed down. Abusing them had gotten to a point where they were making things worse not better. Prednisone...Ive never heard of peeps getting addicted to it but I agree it does give euphoria because you feel better! Thanks for your post!
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Yeah I did 6 months of methadone and never really liked opiates after that even though I have occasionally since them taken them for severe pain only but even then I'd rather use cannabis if at all possible. I have a very high tolerance for pain. When I was addicted to opiates any slight discomfort and I wanted more opiates. It made me hypersensitive to pain after a few hours after the opiate peaked.
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Actually I was trying to take a heavy subject and make it light. Prednisone makes my intestines feel normal. I don't hurt as much. Side effects are vicious though but for that brief time while on them my belly doesn't hurt. I have battled my demons and will continue to do so as long as I draw breath. Pain medicine has been a demon since it has the duel effect of slowing intestines down and causing me to not hurt. I learned alternative ways to dealing with pain since I have a very addictive personality. We all have different pain thresholds and ways to handle pain.
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Hi Blenda2U...got ya. Frustrating thing about messaging..you can't hear the witty statements...haha. I was on prednisone for about a year and it did work but I ended up with osteopenia. I was too emaciated at the time to get a moon face or gain substancial weight but damn did the food I did eat taste good! I was an alcoholic and prescription med addict in full swing the first few years of having Crohns. Once I detoxed and stayed sober and clean off the benzos, opiates, and booze, my crohns got about 80% better instantly. What are some of the alternative you use? I feel eating better, adding in supplements, exercising, and meditating for stress reduction help immensely!
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Plumeria I totally agree, my wit does have a tendency to find the T and become a twit...lol. I am very sorry to hear about the osteopenia, that doesn't seem fair that you try a medicine to help another issue then you turn around and contract something else from the meds. I almost lost a hand due to iv prednisone. One thing that happened during a hospital stay, I was on a liquid diet after a surgery and taking sulfasalzine (not sure if I spelt that one right or not) and flagyll (yuck) and iv prednisone. Due to sulfur in sulfasalzine I started turning orange, like spray on orange...think George Hamilton...lol. Then again I found the pleasure of a morphine button and when that came out demerol and phenergan were my new allies. Yep, needless to say I fell head over heels with pain meds. Now days when I do take something for pain I can only have low doses with the minimum amount of codeine. It appears that God played the ultimate joke and anything strong gives me a raring horrendous headache. I appear to have an allergy to codeine. I really try to do my breathing exercises which helps in focusing me and my pain. It isn't always effective but for me it works. **Disclaimer: Any comments I make that include the term "me" are not reflective of others nor intended to reflect what others should or should not think or do. Nor are they making claims to what others should or shouldn't do.**
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I read somewhere that crohns can actually mimic endometriosis....could that be a possibility for you?
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I take percocet for my pain. sometimes it isn't strong enough. i tried dilaudid but it makes me incredibly sick when taken orally (through an IV, I'm fine). but pain meds help tremendously with my diarrhea too...but i think it's made me gain weight...does anyone know about gaining weight while on pain meds?
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it's made me gain weight...does anyone know about gaining weight while on pain meds?
Hi jmcbrid2 Pain meds and gaining weight. Perhaps it is because when you take the pain meds you can eat more cause you have less pain associated with eating. I think this has happend to me too. I haven't gained more than a pound or two, but I have to keep a close eye on my weight. If you are up to it maybe a daily walk can help keep your weight from creeping up
03-18-2012, 02:22 AM   #265
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Went through a lot of pain meds. Never addicted really, but it never occurred to me when I didn't need them anymore...I was a little too spaced out. Fentanyl....
03-29-2012, 08:40 PM   #266
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Wow,

Ive heard soooo many good things reading through this whole thread. So many good and some not so great.

My personal standpoint on the issue of addiction and pain management is probably rather familiar although maybe not very well liked....

I was diagnosed with crohns when i was in the 8th grade along with lymes disease and severe depression (im assuming this was aggrevated by the other illnesses). At that time i was bleeding uncontrolabely and in immense pain pretty constantly. Subsequently began a long time presciption to oxycontin, oxycodone, vicodin, dilaudid, fentanyl, librium, lomotil, and pretty much everything else with a narcotic base that i cannot remember at this time. I am 26 years old now and have JUST kicked opiate based medication after 12+ years. I am, as of tomorrow, 21 days sober. totally sober. no pot, no booze, no narcs, no nothing. I havent done that. Ever. Since substances were first introduced into my body. I go to A.A. meetings every single day (have avoided N.A. becuase in my area at least they tend to be a place to score drugs). Now, i must say this about myself, i am a VERY addictive person. You name it, and if it makes me feel good, ill get addicted to it. That being said, ive found in my years (relatively few though they may be) that it is few and far between the person who is prescribed narcotics for an extended period of time that does NOT end up addicted. Ive heard tell the difference between dependance and addiction.....i dont claim to know much about this, but i do know that either one is a long, nasty, scary road. I know that for many pain medication for quality of life is at times a necessity, but it must be just that. Necessity. To anyone struggling with pain i sympathize in a major way. I still struggle with pain as well. What i do know now though is this: I would rather use "less effective" methods of pain management and learn/teach my body to handle the pain when i can then to live in the thrawls of the pain caused by who i am and what i do when narcotic pain meds are a regular in my life. This all probably sounds very preachy and for that i apologize, but if i can help lead anyone from a path of addiction i will do whatever it takes. Opiate based pain medication ends up (and i know everyone is different, but im sure there are others like me) controlling my life. Fear of running out of pills, fear of the addiciton itself both physically and especially mentally, fear of withdrawals, fear of judgement, fear of pain without the pills, fear of losing (or never really creating i suppose) important memories due to being in a haze of pain pills......the list goes on and on.....and on and on. Today, though in early recovery from a pretty severe addiciton to numerous medications (which were ALWAYS obtained legally via doctors orders), I am stronger, healthier (though still symptomatic with the crohns), and for once in my life HAPPIER then i can ever have hoped to be. For those of us who truly need them these medicines are a good thing. One that should be monitored at bare minimum, but a damn good thing none the less. By the grace of my cat i no longer (for now at least) TRULY need them, and i am beyond greatful. I guess the long and short of this is to be very aware. Aware of how honestly you need narcotic pain medication and of what ammount. Thank you all for listening to my obnoxiously long run on ramble.

Best of luck, much love, and all best wishes to everyone in these halls.
03-29-2012, 11:24 PM   #267
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Wow,
i am a VERY addictive person. You name it, and if it makes me feel good, ill get addicted to it. That being said, ive found in my years (relatively few though they may be) that it is few and far between the person who is prescribed narcotics for an extended period of time that does NOT end up addicted. .
I was lucky to get off the pain meds with normal tampering, my doc was surprised I didn't need help getting off them. I did feel like increasing it at times while doing the taper. I didn't though... Hopefully others can get off the meds as well as I did. I never felt addicted though, never out of control.
03-30-2012, 09:49 AM   #268
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03-30-2012, 10:19 AM   #269
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Redbear that is so excellent. At the risk of sounding condescending (i do not intend to be) i am hugely proud of you. The spot many of us G.I. challenged folk are put in with pain, quality of life, and the balance of such things is a slippery slope at times to say the very least. It is so refreshing and uplifting to hear a success story like yours. Having recently gotten entirely sober myself i feel much better, but do worry that sometime in the future i may actually necessitate pain management of some form or another. That for me is a fear because i know how i am effected by such medications. For some it is a non issue, for me it is. That is something i need to accept, respect, and remember. Not always an easy thing to do. At any rate, today is a good day even without my pain being entirely "under control" and for that i am greatful. I find that, difficult though it often can be, a positive attitude is our best friend through such trials and tribulations.

To all in these halls: Stay strong, be well, and may health come to be on your side. Endless thanks and love to the people who share here.
03-30-2012, 10:37 AM   #270
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I have had to have surgery for fistulas since I got clean and sober. For two of them I got away with just using Torodol...it really works. For the last and major one I had to use vicadin. I planned this with my surgoen, shrink, friends in the program, family, and sponsor before the surgery, ie, I worked my program! *I had already gone through the steps*. I had someone hold on to the bottle and dispense them to me. They also urged me to start tapering after 3 days. I realized my addiction with messing with my head at day 3 so instead, I stopped them all together and started the Torodol. As soon as I stopped taking them, the addiction shut its mouth!!
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