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07-11-2010, 01:45 AM   #1
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Hollister New Image vs Coloplast(I don't know the name)

I got a sample of the Hollister New Image pouch and convex flange. I must say that the pouch is really awesome. It was super light and I barely would realize it's there. The one problem with the pouch is that the first day or two it's a little hard to open it, I like the clamp style and I probably should have cut a small diamond pattern in one side so I could get a finger under the edge. The problem is the edges are together so you have to work it a little to get your finger under there. It's a very small problem and in hindsight very easy to fix.

The convex flange worked well enough but there were things I didn't like. Since it's got the edge where you can attach the bag and put your finger underneath it creates a type of floating surface which at times can make the bag feel as if it's moving away from you. This made my confidence in the flange much lower as I kept feeling it was falling off due to the way it was made. I also was nervous do to the cloth material the flange was made of. It felt like it was slipping and sliding after a shower. I was never confident that the tape would stay tacky.

Now onto the Coloplast bag. I really like this bag. It's also very light. What I don't like is my own fault, I asked for a sample of the opaque bags so I can't see anything and right now that's a bit of a problem as I'm wanting to see around my stoma. I really like how the bag attaches to the flange though and locks into place as I feel very secure with it on. I'm not sure the model I'm trying but it's got the soft fabric covering the entire bag which is nice as it makes hardly any noise but then again I can't see what my stoma is doing which sucks. I also wish the bag was larger as I feel the need to empty it more often.

The Coloplast convex flange is not my favorite. I like parts of it and absolutely despise other parts of it. I really like the convexity it has. It's the semi-convex flange and it felt real easy to go on and in that sense I'm confident I won't have a leak. I also like how it's plastic-like as I feel more confident that my appliance won't fall off when I'm in the shower. Now onto the bad things. I don't like how large the bag attachment ring is. The thing is huge compared to Hollister's which makes me really nervous sometimes. I also don't like the plasticity of it because it's such a thick plastic, especially on the edges, that it doesn't want to stay on my skin. I've only had it on a day and an edge already pealed up while I was sitting down. This should not happen. Maybe I need to try it in other positions but it should not just peal off the skin. It's only in the area of my belly button and I cleaned the area and dried it thoroughly. This is the huge downfall of this flange for me because the center part sticks really well it's just the outer part that does not want to stick. I don't like having to constantly use tape to tape down corners. I don't like how it doesn't want to form to m body but instead the flange makes my body form to it. It is not uncomfortable though but it makes me loose confidence in it.

Conclusion:
Honestly, it's inconclusive for me. I love both bags very much as they are both very comfortable as well as very light and I like that. I do like the clamping style of Hollister but the Coloplast people did not offer me that in a sample so I'm not sure what they have. For flanges, I believe both are at the opposite ends of extreme. One has too much cloth which is it's fatal flaw as it feels like it wants to slosh off at the end of every shower. The other is so plastic-like and hard that it doesn't want to mold to the skin. So I'm at a crossroads here at where to go to next.

If you guys can give me suggestions on a flange style that may work better for me please let me know. I have confidence that Coloplast would work well in exercise and swimming applications yet during every day life Hollister is much nicer. So, yeah I'm very confused at the moment. Thanks for reading if you've read the whole thing.

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07-11-2010, 05:26 PM   #2
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Can I get some advice, maybe I'm not placing the Coloplast flange on in the best way. I put it horizontally across my stomach. If I could get some suggestions on other products or products that may help me or different ways to place things then I'd be most grateful. Thanks

Sue, I hope my review of the New Image stuff was helpful. When you get your stuff can you put up your review. Thanks
07-12-2010, 01:03 AM   #3
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hi Jeff... i know what a pain it is, trying to find the right appliance or mix/match of products so you get all the things you're looking for ie confidence, rustle-free, lightness etc etc.. i'm still experimenting too!

which of these are you actually using? http://www.elitemedical.com/newimage.html

the Hollister product i am trying right now is this - http://www.elitemedical.com/hl7952.html - it is just the middle circular bit, not the square flange, and i'm not doing that well on it. the compostion of the ring is weird.. it's like hard karaya paste, difficult to mould & stretch for a snug fit around the stoma, and once it's on, it begins to swell & change shape so that after around 24 hours it actually restricts my stoma.... plus it doesn't adhere very well to the microskin of the bags i'm using.. so i'm back to the drawing board.

i've looked at the new image range - it looks quite interesting. i might send off for a sample & see how i go with it. it actually mentions on the site the 'floating' aspect - so i guess this is just a sensation you'd probably get used to, as long as it's not actually as insecure as it feels.

regarding the coloplast one - i have had the same issue with the rigid circles on various ones i've tried, as soon as i sit or bend, the seal pops open and i end up having to apply loads of tape.
07-12-2010, 01:10 AM   #4
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Thanks for your response Sue. I'm using these http://www.elitemedical.com/convexbarrier1.html

I think I will probably end up with those but I'm just so nervous about using them in the shower or if I want to swim or go rafting or something. I feel like it looses it's grippyness once it touches water.
07-12-2010, 01:28 AM   #5
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Jeff, one thing you could do is ask your stoma nurse to keep you informed of any suppliers' open days - these events are great for mooching around the various stalls and seeing what's available. it's better than looking on websites because you can actually touch and feel the products, & get real idea of whether they're what you're looking for.
07-12-2010, 01:31 AM   #6
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Awesome, thanks. I'm calling my ostomy nurse tomorrow so that should work. Thank you for letting me know open days. I love mooching anyways so it works out.haha
07-12-2010, 09:54 AM   #7
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Well, this just proves that everyone's skin is so different. You said the Hollister flange was slipping and sliding after a shower. For me, I can barely remove the fabric even in the shower. I started using adhesive remover on the fabric on change day to get it started.

One thing I use that I'm not sure you have tried is the Convatec Stomahesive powder. I did write previously that the one time I did not use it, my flange started peeling. I shake it on and rub it around and then off. It has a super dry feeling. Maybe that does help with getting the flange material to stick.

When I tried a Convatec sample flange a while back, it did the slip and slide on me. I felt the adhesive melting after a bath. It was slimy and coating my skin. It did re-adhere once it dried. Once that happened, I immediately crossed it off my list.

I also tried Coloplast and it worked fine, but I just did not like the filter. It was blown up tight and hard when I woke up. I hate that feeling.

For me, the Hollister pouch / filter is working the best overall. Usually the pouch is not blown up in the morning, but that has happened a couple of times too.

I like the Hollister Lock and Roll. But, I can see it would be hard to open if your fingernail was too short. One tip I learned is too open the drain and pre-crease the plastic in the open position. It makes it easy to open next time when draining. Another tip I read is to cut off the little strip of extra plastic at the very end of the opening.
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07-12-2010, 07:21 PM   #8
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hey jeff,
i have tried everything under the sun. i love the hollister new image flexwear line i use now. i prep my skin with powder first and then use the cavilon spray to protect my skin. i swim and do yoga ALL th time and i am doing just fine. i think the first year post colostomy or ileostomy is te hardest. i had a few awful times out for the night at the bar with friends and having to rush home cause it was leaking but as my colostomy is looped and drains out the side i think that was the main issue.

once i started cutting the opening a little bigger the stool wasn't being forced under the flange. hope this helps a bit. let me know if you have more questions.

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07-12-2010, 07:30 PM   #9
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Susan, that helps me a lot. I also have a loop ileostomy and my last switch I cut the opening a bit larger so the stool wouldn't get under the flange and I think it may have helped but I can't see because I have a locking opaque bag on so I can't see what's going on inside. I think I'm going to ask for samples from a few other companies but I'll make sure to get the clear ones so I know what's going on inside of there. I always thought I'd like the opaque bags but now I only like the clear ones. I think I may have some weird sweat composition or something because whenever I've used the powder I've had more leakages.
07-12-2010, 07:42 PM   #10
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have you tried the spray?
the locking ones you are talking about is it a one piece or a two piece? if it's a two piece just stand over the toilet and take the pouch off and check things out. the loop is tricky cause most people empty right out the front which makes things easier. the et nurse had me cutting the opening really big in the beginning and the powder and spray were to protect the surrounding skin. when it gets irritated and raw it hurts and gets really itchy, which SUCKS let me tell ya.

i always like the opaque cause i didn't want to see my shit all the time, ya know? in the beginning i was really anal about cleaning the bag all the tie, rinsing it out and washing it but that stopped. became a pain.

i found the coloplast ones i tried always came off cause the flange part was such a hard plastic that every time i twisted or moved it came loose. the hollister stuck well for the most part. and i am a frequent tub user.

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07-12-2010, 08:09 PM   #11
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Yeah Susan, it's a two pieace coloplast that I'm using. I'm changing it tonight so I won't worry about checking it. I haven't used any spray yet, are you talking about the spray on glue? I'm thinking about checking that stuff out next time.
07-12-2010, 09:35 PM   #12
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I am a fan of the convatec auto lock. I have used the conoplast and found it did not hold well to the skin and started pealing after two days. They also recommend not using any adhesive spray, like convatec does. I recently have become a member of Edge Park medical supplies and they sent me some new holister adhesive spray. I am not sure what is in this product but it works amazing for me. I just spray some on and rub it around with a gloved finger in the area where the wafer goes. As soon as it the wafer touches it "STUCK". I have not had an issues with pealing around the edges at all. I have to use the adhesive remover to get off the wafer 4 days later.

I also had a problem with the colonplasty bag was the velco closure on the bottom. For me it made more of a mess then the clamp. Not sure if it is because of the ileostomy or not, but did not work for me.

Jeff I know I recommended the ostmy armor (www.ostomyarmor.com) and I have to admit this is one of the best products I have seen. Holds the bag and flange of the wafer tight on skin, and allows the stoma to drain easy. It is very comfortable to wear, I wear mine about 16 hours a day. At night I go to normal convatec belt. The only thing I found with the ostomy armor is you need to wear a t-shirt between the armor and your bag, so you sweat does not irritate the skin. I also noticed it cuts down on the gas noise, which was an added plus. You can either empty withnthe device on or remove it with one simple snap and pop the whole bag off and put a new one on.

I am also going to try the new liners from http://www.colostomymajic.com which some one just showed me. Looking at then sire might be nice and quicker to change. I always carry and extra bag everywhere I go, as well as other supplies. So I will preload the spare bag so just a quick switch and done. Pull the liner out drop it in and flush away, as long as you do NOT have a septic. We shall see how this works out, will let you know.

There are so many products out there and you just have to find what works for you and your lifestyle. Decussions like this helps out everyone thou, gives some personal experience - thank you.
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07-12-2010, 09:49 PM   #13
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Thanks for all the help semicolon. I may have to try that glue when I go purchase my next set of supplies.

I would love to try the ostomyarmor but I just don't have the money right now. I'm hoping to be able sell one of my bikes soon and to get a job so maybe then I can get it but right now I have I only have 100$ to my name so getting that isn't really an option when I have to buy a mic at the moment for an upcoming gig and then there is always food and such that I need to get so I'm really hoping I'll continue to feel better in the next week or so and then I can get a job to get some stuff.

I won't be able to use the liners as I do have a septic tank. I absolutely hate septic tanks!!!

I'm going to continue this thread when I get my other appliances. I'm going to try the convatec next. Speaking of convatec, how is it adhered to the skin. Is it closer to hollister with the cloth or is it more like coloplast with the plastic.

Thanks so much guys and I hope this helps out others who are new to the ostomy.
07-12-2010, 10:19 PM   #14
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it has some round area that I am not sure what it is, some sort of harder materia (like the holister) and it moldes with your body heat around your stoma. I put a bead of stoma paste around the hole, just for added security. Around that surface is a 4 x 4 square tape like material. The spray glue definately helps me, in my opion holister much better then the convatec. The only thing I do not like is how the holister sprays out, you need to rub in around. Where the convatec seems to spray better, but NOT nearly as sticky or bounds as well with the wafer

I also have a spetic, which I agree sucks. When I am out thou, hoping this will make it quicker and easier for me.

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07-12-2010, 11:29 PM   #15
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Thanks man. Maybe I just need to figure out a way to make sure I feel comfortable getting my Hollister wet. I must say that the convex wafer helped a lot. Now I have a ton of flat wafers but I think that's good so I can use in case of emergency. I do think I need to get a bigger size though and that may help a bit. I thought I was 22mm but I'm really 23-24mm vertically but it's more like 26-27mm horizontally depending on the day. So I may see if I can go up to a 27 or 29 just to have room to cut as I don't want to weaken the convexity.
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i'm also accumulating a massive collection of bags & wafers! lol. think i'll try & find somewhere to donate them to..

just to update on the microskin topic which i've mentioned in here before - i rang the manufacturer yesterday & told them of my problem ie: that i love the bag, love the microskin, and but that i can't get a satisfactory adhesion immediately around the stoma. the lady recommended i move to the 2-piece microskin system, which comes in a smaller size (15mm), because my stomie is only a little one & smaller than the precut one piece apperture. so i'm just waiting for the new samples to arrive - i'm quite excited, & hoping this is the one i can stay with.
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Semicolon- thanks for suggesting the spray- I just bought it. I really hope it works as I am tired of having to leave work when my bag leaks or comes off. What a nightmare. I'm glad we can all help each other out on here!
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07-19-2010, 07:49 PM   #19
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OK have to ask if anyone uses a company to order your supplies from. I was recommended to this company called "EDGE PARK". I have had nothing but problems with them. Took them 5 times to send me the proper items - this was after speaking to a "Supervisor". I can NOT believe how this company is still in business. I just used the ONLY adhesive removers I had, which were the ones they suggested and sent. I am pretty sure there was more skin on my wafer then what I left on my BODY. The 1st box ALL the packages were all dry, and the second I got maybe a 1/2 inch then needed another one. NOT lying when I say I had to use 15 to remove a wafer. They open at 0830 and I plan to be the 1st one to call. I am sure this call as well as my other ones will be used for training purposes - NOT good one either. "So how would someone deal with this angry asshole". My response would be well if my asshole was not on the side of my belly I would NOT need you asshole. Do they realize we NEED these products and they need to work. OK done VENTING, but need help to FINDING another company, anyone know of some competent ones, please LET me know.

THANKS

PS - In case you can NOT tell I do not RECOMMEND EDGE PARK TO ANYONE !!!!!!
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OK have to ask if anyone uses a company to order your supplies from. I was recommended to this company called "EDGE PARK". I have had nothing but problems with them. Took them 5 times to send me the proper items - this was after speaking to a "Supervisor". I can NOT believe how this company is still in business. I just used the ONLY adhesive removers I had, which were the ones they suggested and sent. I am pretty sure there was more skin on my wafer then what I left on my BODY. The 1st box ALL the packages were all dry, and the second I got maybe a 1/2 inch then needed another one. NOT lying when I say I had to use 15 to remove a wafer. They open at 0830 and I plan to be the 1st one to call. I am sure this call as well as my other ones will be used for training purposes - NOT good one either. "So how would someone deal with this angry asshole". My response would be well if my asshole was not on the side of my belly I would NOT need you asshole. Do they realize we NEED these products and they need to work. OK done VENTING, but need help to FINDING another company, anyone know of some competent ones, please LET me know.

THANKS

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07-19-2010, 08:15 PM   #21
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THANK YOU - will be calling them in the morning and seeing if they have all the items I use
07-19-2010, 08:23 PM   #22
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I use a company but I don't know what they are called. They have been great though. I'm sorry you are having to go through so much trouble with them.
07-19-2010, 10:39 PM   #23
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hey jeff, have you tried Convatec by chance? they offer free samples of their many lines and they have a wound care ET RN on staff that you can talk to during the day. I plan to switch back to them as Hollister isn't really working for me. I'm only wearing Hollister now because the hospitals here have a contract w/them & that is what I was stuck w/after my last surgery. BUMMER.

Here is the toll free number: 1-800-422-8811. I do know that they open at 8:30 am and stay late during the week until around 8 pm on certain days. Their customer service is AWSOME and 99.9% of the ostomy support group members are Convatec wearers. I plan to call for samples by giving them the Hollister part # and they can convert it for me. For some reason, I'm only getting like 1-2 days wear time instead of 3-4. Not a good thing if you ask me. Hope this helps. Take care. God bless.
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BTW, you can ask the Convatec rep where you can buy their products in Alabama near you and they'll send you a list!!! They are the friendliest company I've ever dealt w/ in my entire life as a crohnie. When I was the ostomy president, I've dealt with a few ostomy product companies, had insurance companies come to speak (that was a joke--they had no clue what a bag was or what we deal with), medical students sit in and ask us questions--that was really fun, and had student nurses give presentations for their senior projects before graduating. We weren't easy on them either--they had to know what they were talking about AND they had to pick a topic that was new and something we could learn about. I mean, they were going to go out into the work force and if they were going to be touching an ostomy, they better know what they are doing right??? lol

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Thanks Lisa, I was going to call them today but I forgot. Tomorrow I'm going to call them first thing because I'm not really comfortable with anything right now. I'm like you changing every two days instead of every four or five. One of my problems is turtle-necking. It doesn't matter how close or how far away from my stoma but after a day or so I begin to get turtle-necking and it's a bit annoying. Take care. God bless
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OK have to ask if anyone uses a company to order your supplies from. I was recommended to this company called "EDGE PARK". I have had nothing but problems with them. Took them 5 times to send me the proper items - this was after speaking to a "Supervisor". I can NOT believe how this company is still in business. I just used the ONLY adhesive removers I had, which were the ones they suggested and sent. I am pretty sure there was more skin on my wafer then what I left on my BODY. The 1st box ALL the packages were all dry, and the second I got maybe a 1/2 inch then needed another one. NOT lying when I say I had to use 15 to remove a wafer. They open at 0830 and I plan to be the 1st one to call. I am sure this call as well as my other ones will be used for training purposes - NOT good one either. "So how would someone deal with this angry asshole". My response would be well if my asshole was not on the side of my belly I would NOT need you asshole. Do they realize we NEED these products and they need to work. OK done VENTING, but need help to FINDING another company, anyone know of some competent ones, please LET me know.

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Wow...I guess I'm lucky...I just go down to my local drug store and they have ostomy supplies (they're in the back, but they're all there). Just found out they carry my liners too!!!! After I went and ordered by mail....My local Shoppers Drug Mart have a special section in the back for everything from ostomy supplies to wheel chairs and wound care. It's really convenient. I think it's a bit more expensive than ordering online or by mail, but it's worth it for the convenience. They also have me on file so that they always have my supplies in stock. I love it
07-20-2010, 04:42 PM   #27
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Recently used the liners and "LOVED" them. Thank I Cindy for the very useful information. I use these everyday while at work, makes it so much easier. I carry two bags with me, one on my stoma and the other pre-loaded with another liner. This allows for a quick change with less of a mess. The only thing I wish is u could use them in septic tanks. Again this product is worth the price.
07-20-2010, 05:24 PM   #28
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I'm glad you like the liners semi. Having a septic tank just stinks. Anyways, I wanted to say that I talked to the wonderful people at convatec and they are sending me some samples right now. Thanks for the advice on them I can't wait to try them and I'll write a review when I get them. I"m excited because they are sending me the moldable kind.haha
07-20-2010, 07:54 PM   #29
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Hope they work for you. You have been throught enough shit (could not resist - LMPO). I was shocked on the amount of the samples they sent me, plus also a little portable bag to keep your supplies in. They have always been pleasant and will give you follow up calls. Hope you can find one that works well for you.
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UPDATE on the Ostomy Armor - I have been using this product everyday for about two weeks and the ONLY thing I found that does not work well for me is the extra padding on the back. This is an option when you order it. It is supposed to add comfort, which I am sure it does, BUT can be a pain. Since I wear a uniform daily it has a high waist and I can not get my pants and think belt (2 inches) over the cushion, so my pants slide down. I am sure it is personal preference, but I have ordered without the cushion and this should prevent this. If it works I will be removing the cushion off of the other one. It is also cheaper without the cushion - $85.00. Will let you know if that one works better for me.
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