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10-13-2008, 09:08 AM   #1
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Coconut and Pineapple for Crohn's article.

So today I got to work and one of my coworkers gave me this article in the paper from "the people's pharmacy" by Joe Graedon and Teresa Graedon PH.D.

Q. I read your coconut macaroon article and asked my doctor about using coconut instead of my crohn's medicine. He said that he has seen it work for others and to give it a try. He said to add pinapple for anti-inflammatory properties.
I have been eating a large pinch of coconut morning and evening for five months and have no crohn's symptions. I add the pinapple a couple times a week.

A.) we are pleased coconut has helped. Not everyone will benefit, however, and a physician should be involved in such decisions.
Donald Agar in Pittfield, Mass. first discovered that Archway Coconut Macaroon cookes stopped the chronic diarrhea associated with Crohn's. He shared his success with us 10 years ago in this colume.
Pinapple containes Bromelain, an enzyme with anti-inflammatory activity. Yours is the first report that pinapple but also be beneficial for Crohn's.

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sorry for typos, I just breezed through it for the jist of it.
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10-13-2008, 04:18 PM   #2
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The question sounds a bit like the advertising spiel we get around here sometimes. I seriously doubt that a doctor would agree to replace medication with coconut as it says.
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10-13-2008, 04:23 PM   #3
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Joe I saw this article as well.

It is true that pineapple is an anti-inflammatory, however I wouldn't suggest it over meds. Not sure about coconut, never heard anything about that.
10-13-2008, 05:39 PM   #4
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Oh good now coconut is the new med and I'm allergic, great. ha ha ha
10-13-2008, 07:06 PM   #5
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I would TOTALLY not go with the advice to take them in place of medicine, however for something to snack on at work for me, I'm more inclined now to get fresh pinapple and coconut.
10-13-2008, 09:08 PM   #6
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I used Coconut Oil for a while for its antibacterial effect. I really could not tell if it helped or not because I was taking several other supplements at that time.

It does give you an initial boost of energy and speeds up your metabolism until your body adjusts to it. The fats are easily absorbed. I liked the taste of it.

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10-13-2008, 09:11 PM   #7
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Ooo. Too much fiber. Makes my belly hurt just thinking about either one of those.
10-17-2008, 01:54 AM   #8
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I tried coconut oil before and can report a slight benefit....not gonna advertise it though it wasnt that good. It aint going to treat the cause of the disease. The oil isnt gonna coat all those feet of damaged intestine and decrease all the inflammation of a moderate case. I'd say coconut oil as a supplement is okay but I've found changing my diet is the biggest change that has made me avoid all supplementation, just dont need to spend money on gimmicks heheh.


Sure supplementation with coconut oil can be a good addition for some, but when I see stuff about coconut macaroons it seems like itd hurt people. The only beneficial part of the coconut macroon is the oil in the coconut, the rest is sugar and fiber that is gonna disapoint someone and could make them worse. Gotta consider how bad the person's crohns was too, some ppl are mild, moderate, severe, and severely desperate for anything....so cookies arent gonna do much for most of us.
10-17-2008, 01:56 AM   #9
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Also keep in mind dole canned pineapple juice is pasteurized, so if you hope for enzymes I'd suspect frozen pineapple or fresh is a lot better. I was drinking gallons of the canned stuff but now I've switched to tossing frozen chunks in my smoothies instead. Just a tip if you guys wanna do the pineapple thing. And they sell extra virgin coconut oil in pharmacies, dont buy the processed one that is cheaper, it is for fryng stuff and is bad.
10-17-2008, 04:24 AM   #10
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Coconuts are vey fiborous for me and give me pain and discomfort. I can drink pineapple juice but don't know if it's any good...
10-17-2008, 09:05 PM   #11
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This might actually be the silliest thing I've ever heard as a crohn's treatment. Coconut. Brilliant. Coconut pulp is just the #1 do not eat item for crohn's sufferers on almost all the general lists I've seen. It's completely indigestible. It keeps it's shape and hardness all the way down and will scrape and cut the hell out of your intestines if you're inflamed. It's also a huge risk for obstructions since that whole piece of coconut is very likely to stick in a stricture. It's a lot like popcorn actually, only worse.

I'm not sure how the rest of you tolerate it but even relatively small amounts of coconut pulp (liquids like oil and coconut milk are fine) to me is like eating a handful of glass.
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10-18-2008, 08:17 AM   #12
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too bad, I got exctited when I started reading . . .thinking mmh pina coladas everyday! Whohoooooo! he hee then I read all the way to the bottom.

I agree on the fibre thing, and find fresh pinapple to do the same thing for me unless juiced really well in a blender, passes right through me.
10-21-2008, 08:24 AM   #13
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Well, after dinner I have snacked on some coconut... and the past two mornings have been almost like I was back in my 20's. I'm shocked. I almost thing this isn't normal and I do have to call the doctor !
12-15-2008, 01:16 PM   #14
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i ate fresh coconut from the shell and ended up in hopsital with ablockage, i wll never touch the stuff again
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12-15-2008, 08:40 PM   #15
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If you use Coconut, use the oil. Oil is kind of misleading, as it is semi solid until you put it in your mouth. Then it melts.

I have a jar of it, but never tested it thoroughly. I really do not know if it would help much or not. It is antibacterial which is the main reason it is supposed to work. It obviously is antibacterial as it keeps for years without refrigeration.

It does pack a lot of energy if you feel run down.

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01-28-2009, 09:25 AM   #16
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coconut WATER will be the best has a supp also i have been taking kefier and have noticed massive improvements early days still , i had a blood test 2days before i started taking kefier and will have another blood test in 4weeks will let you know on blood results im confident they will have improved,
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I started drinking smoothies with coconut water a month ago, I have much improvement in my stool and overall gasiness, I also started taking a product from ganeden called digestive advantage, I also add whey protein to my smoothies.

once a week I will make a smoothie with a berry flavored whey protein mixed with metamucil, now I must admit that alone either the berry flavored whey or the orange metamucil is beyond nasty.

However when mixed together into a smoothie using pom juice, coconut water, one cup frozen fruit, one banana, one cup ice and one cup of vanilla lowfat probiotic yogurt it is actually tolerable, the liquid is about 3/4 cup of each the pom and coconut water.

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06-06-2010, 03:11 AM   #18
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This week I have been trying a milk alternative made from coconut milk (I keep trying different ones but haven't found one I like yet!). I haven't noticed any improvement in symptoms at all.

By the way the coconut milk is a bit yucky on it's own as you can really taste the coconut but is lovely in a milkshake.
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06-09-2010, 12:25 AM   #19
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The ignorance of nutrition on this website is astounding.
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The ignorance of nutrition on this website is astounding.

Inflamed, you've been warned about adhering to the rudimentary rules of the forum here before, earlier this year, regarding respect. Your past tone is only persisting in this post. If you can't say something constructive or supportive, you shouldn't bother posting anything at all.

The exact same sentiments you might be feeling if you disagree can be relayed in a constructive manner. Without fail, each and every time a person denotes such sentiments in the manner you have (here and often in real life), it ends badly because nobody wants to be ripped to shreds whether they're wrong or right, it only manifests a new argument about delivery instead of what is being delivered.

You can assist someone and leave them their dignity.
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06-09-2010, 02:17 AM   #21
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Inflamed, you've been warned about adhering to the rudimentary rules of the forum here before, earlier this year, regarding respect. Your past tone is only persisting in this post. If you can't say something constructive or supportive, you shouldn't bother posting anything at all.

The exact same sentiments you might be feeling if you disagree can be relayed in a constructive manner. Without fail, each and every time a person denotes such sentiments in the manner you have (here and often in real life), it ends badly because nobody wants to be ripped to shreds whether they're wrong or right, it only manifests a new argument about delivery instead of what is being delivered.

You can assist someone and leave them their dignity.
Jesus, I can assist someone and leave them their dignity? Is there a particular reason you write like that? You really thought I offended people that badly? The ignorance of nutrition on this site IS astounding. And it frustrates me to see the advice given out from people who literally have no idea what they're talking about. The correct advice IS NOT BEING GIVEN OUT, and on a forum like this it is VERY CRUCIAL for the right information to get out there. This is besides the point...

Why must anyone take it as an insult when it is the truth? If I call you ignorant and you really have no idea what you're talking about, this means that I am right, I am not trying to be mean. Why are people so damn sensitive. (I was only referring to ONE person in this thread when I posted that btw)

It's cool though, I'm sure I'll get banned or whatever after writing this, that's usually how things work around here.

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How things work is that you could have assisted people like you allude to instead of defending your demeanor and choice of words (mine aren't in question). A good teacher won't toss around the word "ignorance", they will guide a student to the right information or correct any misinformation. It's not about sensitivity, it's about decency. You only bothered to cut down what you saw instead of being corrective in nature. What purpose did your post have? What is the anticipated response you await from it?

It's a simple solution. Yes, ignorant has the meaning you refer to, but in the context of your post(s), it takes hold with another meaning, and I believe you know it. Again, about delivery. Assuming you post here to correct/guide people, you're not going to win anyone's confidence in your insight if you simultaneously cut them down, even if you do give correct information.

Most people will take away more about your delivery and tone than they will about the actual information, that's speech 101, and it still applies in written media. There's a lot of psychology behind it, whether you believe it's pointless to have tact or not, it matters.

Your post could have been about the correct information, instead of the fact that the information was incorrect. Your comment does absolutely nothing to solve what you see as a problem, it only shifts focus.

Maybe nobody is offended at all or could get offended, but if that's the case, will they walk away from your post with a new level of enlightenment? Correct information? No, you provided nothing but that you feel they're very, very wrong.

One could call someone "uneducated" or "a dumb****"...and both infer the same thing, in your eyes, but most people would prefer they be told one over the other. That's not about sensitivity, it's the simple concept of respect, perhaps trying some would, as I said, make the discussion about the delivered information instead of delivery. But hey, if you aim to get banned and have no intent on actually improving the knowledge base and would rather chip away at people's dignity as I said, that's your call. The choice is yours.

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Because I already know what type of response I am going to get. I will either 1) Get no response. Or 2) I will convey my ideas, only to be upbraided and looked at as some type of iconoclast. I could be as nice as possible, but what happens when I'm attacked? Are you going to go after the poster who attacks me, or are you going to side with the majority? I know the response to this, you however may not. I'm done trying to help people that want to be sick. I'm done wasting my time here.
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Jesus, I can assist someone and leave them their dignity? Is there a particular reason you write like that? You really thought I offended people that badly? The ignorance of nutrition on this site IS astounding. And it frustrates me to see the advice given out from people who literally have no idea what they're talking about. The correct advice IS NOT BEING GIVEN OUT, and on a forum like this it is VERY CRUCIAL for the right information to get out there. This is besides the point...


no - this is very much the point. our forum members share their personal experiences and thoughts - we are not doctors and we do not profess to be.

anyone who reads posts in here and decides to try any tips or medications mentioned by members knows that they do so at their own risk.. we often advise people to talk to their doctors, particularly if someone is having a worrying symptom - if you had taken the time out to read threads properly you would know this, rather than just look for issues you can pick apart.

we have an expectation of forum etiquette here, and in Admin posts regarding behaviour on the forum, we strongly suggest that if any member spots a post which is inappropriate for whatever reason, we ask for that member to pm us rather than tackle things in public on the board. again - it seems you didn't bother to read up on this either.


Why must anyone take it as an insult when it is the truth? If I call you ignorant and you really have no idea what you're talking about, this means that I am right, I am not trying to be mean. Why are people so damn sensitive. (I was only referring to ONE person in this thread when I posted that btw)

people don't need to be sensitive to be offended by being called ignorant. this is a clear insult. there are always more than one way of saying something and your agenda seems to be to say it as sharply and personal as possible. i would retaliate by asking you the question - why is it so important for you to look as if you're right, over and above everyone else?


It's cool though, I'm sure I'll get banned or whatever after writing this, that's usually how things work around here.
i wondered when there would be an insult directed to the staff. lol.

things do not work that way around here. banning a genuine member is something we do only in extreme circumstances, and when other means of solution have been exhausted. as you have invited this situation to be public on the board here, rather than via private messages, i am giving you notice here that you're not on a permanent ban at the moment, and you are invited to apologise for any upset you have caused anyone, change your attitude, and remain a regular member. if you can't do this, and/or if there are any further antagonistic, insulting remarks, then a permanent ban will be issued.


I'm done wasting my time here.
it's a shame you feel your time here is wasted. fortunately most of our members don't feel that way - but that could be more to do with their reasons for being here than anything else.
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sorry to get in the way of this, but on the forum subject, pineapple gives me D and if i eat either fresh or dessicated coconut i end up with a blocked stoma.


and i find goats milk dosent upset m like cows milk does.
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The ignorance of nutrition on this website is astounding.
QFT... I was sick for years and the first time I saw improvement was when I changed my diet. I usually get berated when I come here and talk my "no meds" mumbo jumbo. I like you iminflamed.




I have heard about coconut macaroons for years. I am buy coconut oil today and am going to try to use it about once a day and see any results.

Pineapple can be sugary and citrusy, but you can cook with the juice, and the bromelain in pineapple is 100% true. It aids in digestion.
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and i find goats milk dosent upset m like cows milk does.
the maker's diet recommends only eating goats milk and goats cheese. i bet the maker's diet is really healthy, but I just don't see it as realistic because all that organic crap costs an insane amount.
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It all sounds a bit hokey, but I think that anything is worth a try! It would be a very healthy solution too
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Ooo. Too much fiber. Makes my belly hurt just thinking about either one of those.
Me too. I got myself into trouble a few months ago eating pineapple. However, I'm going to begin juicing soon and think I could possibly handle a bit of pineapple freshly juiced. Guess I could add in some coconut milk.
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too bad, I got exctited when I started reading . . .thinking mmh pina coladas everyday! Whohoooooo! he hee then I read all the way to the bottom.

I agree on the fibre thing, and find fresh pinapple to do the same thing for me unless juiced really well in a blender, passes right through me.
Hee hee, I immediately thought of Pina Coladas too ...
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