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10-24-2012, 08:05 PM   #31
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If her brother has Crohn's and she has GI issues, she needs one for sure. I'm glad she's getting one, hopefully it's just IBS or something like that.
10-24-2012, 08:10 PM   #32
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Hi Gianni
I think its great what you are doing however It would be quite expensive for people on low incomes in general or who also have families to provide for, forget i phones etc I think that was a little patronizing really whether intended or not.
The great thing about this forum is we are all wonderful people from all walks of life trying to stay strong & coming together because of IBD in one form or another so we need to show respect for those differences.
I will introduce smoothies again when I feel a little better as I currently have a duodenal ulcer & severe gastritis so don't want to irritate anything just yet but will keep up with everyone to see how they are getting on with this.
Please be aware that it is not a cure all though & although I know you have great success at the moment It may not be the case for everyone. I was having smoothies on a daily basis before I became ill again & have always eaten very healthily in the past so perhaps for some people who have never done this before they should start maybe on 1 per day just until they see how their Crohns reacts. I know myself that I feel quite let down by my body when I have always done the very best I can regarding healthy foods etc.
I don't drink or smoke, have always eaten plenty of fruit & veggies & stayed on a low fat diet (apart from the odd treat on special occasions) from being In my teens due to dad having cholesterol problems. Yet I have Crohns disease, Kidney disease, & high Cholesterol. Sometimes life is like that.
I do wish you all the very best in this venture though & hope we see some great results.
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10-24-2012, 08:37 PM   #33
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I don't think Gianni is being patronizing. His heart is definitely in the right place and I really appreciate what he's doing. I know you do too Kip and I understand how you feel as well. It sucks that we have to sometimes choose between high quality food and other necessities. It sucks that we have to sometimes choose between medical care and other necessities.

I think this will be a very interesting test. If it works out well, maybe we can have some sort of sponsorship where we can help someone who can't afford to do it. Just thinking with my fingers. I'd dig a few extra holes so someone here could feel a little better
10-25-2012, 01:28 AM   #34
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I think its great what you are doing however It would be quite expensive for people on low incomes in general or who also have families to provide for, forget i phones etc I think that was a little patronizing really whether intended or not.
Thanks for the support Kip.

I am sorry if I came off as patronizing in my earlier post, it wasn't intended. I realize that there are people who are struggling to provide for their families and of course that earlier post would not pertain to them. That post was directed to those who do put those priorities, listed earlier, above healthy food.

I just think we as a culture have our values inverted when it comes to food. I'm not saying that food should be given number one priority over your families home or any other essential. I am just saying many families (like mine when i was growing up) just think that food fills up the stomach so why not just buy cheap fast food and save some money. Does that make them horrible people? No of course not... my parents are wonderful people, but they just didn't know... it's a values inversion problem simply because they didn't understand the importance of food.



I don't mean to step on any toes here, and of course I didn't mean to patronize those families whom are struggling. I only meant to point out, for those whom aren't struggling, that many of these people would rather buy a more expensive car (for example) than buy their family the healthiest food.

I used, iphone, car, and tv package, and not mortgage, children's education, and utility bills because I know that those are a top priority. Iphone, more expensive car...etc etc were meant to represent those families who would buy those things when given the funds rather than buy good health.

I don't think Gianni is being patronizing. His heart is definitely in the right place and I really appreciate what he's doing. I know you do too Kip and I understand how you feel as well. It sucks that we have to sometimes choose between high quality food and other necessities. It sucks that we have to sometimes choose between medical care and other necessities.
Thanks for the support David

I think this will be a very interesting test. If it works out well, maybe we can have some sort of sponsorship where we can help someone who can't afford to do it. Just thinking with my fingers. I'd dig a few extra holes so someone here could feel a little better
Yes I had thought about this as well. If people like it (which I know they will) and it becomes somewhat popular, I would love to see some type of sponsorship system. I would absolutely be willing to maybe buy a community juicer that we can mail around to those who want to do a juice fast but simply cannot afford a juicer.

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10-25-2012, 01:35 AM   #35
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If her brother has Crohn's and she has GI issues, she needs one for sure. I'm glad she's getting one, hopefully it's just IBS or something like that.
Both her brothers have Crohn's! She's actually had problems ever since she was really little, I think around 5. Doctors just told her IBS so she accepted it. As soon as I was diagnosed with Crohn's she felt like she might have a version of it.

I keep pushing and pushing her to get a colonoscopy and it seems like finally she will
10-25-2012, 05:57 AM   #36
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I live In the uk & at the moment healthy foods are very expensive.
We all know the recent financial problems have put up food prices but it is getting ridiculous. We also have to deal with higher prices as most of our fruits are shipped in. To budget well we generally have to just stick with our own seasonal products due to being in a colder climate as they tend to be cheaper & keep longer.
I don't know If I am correct in this but I think we would need to spend at least 6-8 (depending on time of the year) per day to have enough fresh stuff to juice, to do that organically you are talking around 14 per day.
Most of our smaller shops have been replaced by supermarket giants sadly so we have very little choice in where we buy fruits & veg.
I am interested to see how this will work. Do you suggest we replace meals with juicing & if so for how long.
If that is the case then as a working mother with a house to keep & 3 dogs to take care of I think I would become very hungry by the end of the day that's why when I have done this type of thing before It has been with smoothies as they are more filling.
As I said before I have always eaten well & had the very best of foods since I was a young child but I have still ended up with Crohns. I know it is a genetic thing for me as my mother has it but I made sure since my resection I went on a real health kick & I have ended up with further problems.
I think more people than you realise know the difference in eating well & eating cheaply a lot of people do try to make the right choices especially when they have lived with an IBD for a long time but many of the fresh foods are already contaminated with pesticides etc so it seems we are damned if we do & damned if we don't.
10-25-2012, 10:53 AM   #37
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to do that organically you are talking around 14 per day.
Wow that's quite expensive, do you have local farmers markets that might be cheaper?


Do you suggest we replace meals with juicing & if so for how long.
If that is the case then as a working mother with a house to keep & 3 dogs to take care of I think I would become very hungry by the end of the day that's why when I have done this type of thing before It has been with smoothies as they are more filling.
Yes the idea of a juice fast is to replace meals with fresh organic juice. Some people do 6 juices a day, but I find 3 to be plenty. By day 4 of my juice fasts, I usually will actually feel full from my juices. I suggest at least a 5 day juice fast but if you are not comfortable with that then benefits should be noticed only after a 3 day fast. Personally this time, I will be doing a 7 day fast. Smoothies are more filling and they are completely acceptable, even David is doing a smoothie fast . The only reason why I would stick to juice fast is because the removal of fiber gives your gut a nice rest and saves your body a ton of energy, you can read my smoothie vs juicing section in my juicing thread.

I think more people than you realise know the difference in eating well
I think many people associate eating well with avoiding "bad for you foods" like fried foods or fast and processed foods.

For example, my mother always thought she ate healthy and so did I while growing up, but after i started obsessing over diet and literally making spreadsheets on the most beneficial foods for health, I realized my mother wasn't eating healthy at all but rather just wasn't eating "bad food".

My healthy food terminology refers to eating only real organic foods and never processed commercial foods. never a cheat, never vegetable oils, never processed sugar, never a questionable restaurant where I don't know the ingredients, never a sugary drink, never coffee, never an energy drink, never soy, etc etc. But even if i simply avoided those things I still wouldn't consider myself eating healthy until i started incorporating super foods (i.e. foods with exceptional health benefits).

I do realize many people on this forum do try and eat well and I know there are a few health crazies like myself cause I've been messaging them and bouncing ideas off each other. If you feel like you eat healthy, like i said in my first post on priorities, then ignore this.

Please be aware that it is not a cure
I guess we will have to disagree on this

I made sure since my resection I went on a real health kick & I have ended up with further problems.
Sorry to hear that a healthy diet didn't initially help. Hopefully this experience didn't turn you off of the power of food.

a lot of people do try to make the right choices especially when they have lived with an IBD for a long time but many of the fresh foods are already contaminated with pesticides etc so it seems we are damned if we do & damned if we don't.
There are ways to make sure your food is in its "real" original state. Visiting farms, going to local farmers markets, or even growing your own produce like David.

I think organic is EXTREMELY important when deciding to eat healthy for so many reasons but mainly because commercial produce will not have nearly as much vitamins and minerals... not nearly.

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10-25-2012, 12:47 PM   #38
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I will say that almost a week now & I've been supplementing one meal/day (breakfast or lunch) with a green juice or fruit smoothie (made with almond milk).

I am the type of person that gets terribly tired (can barely hold my eyes open) around noon. Since I changed up my diet a tiny bit, I noticed that for the past two days I have been able to get through my work hours with better energy and without feeling sluggishly tired. Waking up in the morning, it even seems to be a tad bit easier to get going.

So for those of you who don't want to/can't do an all-day juice cleanse, maybe even a 1 juiced meal/day can have a positive impact of sorts on you.

****I forgot to mention also that my stomach/gut seems to be pleased with this little break from digestion as well. The cramping and bathroom situation has eased up a little.****
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10-25-2012, 08:31 PM   #39
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I was looking at the calendar and I thought Saturday November 10th or saturday november 17th would be best. Please let me know If either of them work for you. If none of them work for you then say so and suggest a date that would work better. Neither of these dates are set in stone, just wanted to see if they worked for you guys.

I will be doing a 7 day fast. You may do however long you want up to 7 ( for beginners I wouldn't recommend over 7 days) but it would be best to do at least 3, and optimally 5. I plan on making videos each day just talking about the juice fast and the benefits you may or may not be experiencing.

So please post what date would be best, if either are ok please say so. Also post how many days you plan on doing (just to get an idea)

Let me know
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I guess I prefer the weekend of the 10th.
I will be doing a 3-day juice.

I just thought of something...I read some places that coming off of a juice fast you should take a few days to ease back into solid foods. That being said....if we start the 17th, a 3 day would go through the 19th and a longer juice would go through Thanksgiving. I'm not sure I could deprive myself of Thanksgiving dinner and don't know how others would feel about that either. just thought I would throw that out there lol.

Maybe also include a date for after thanksgiving?....I'd be willing to do a 2nd juice fast if the first one goes well

Can you recommend some good sites to read about prepping and veggie/fruit choices?
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I just thought of something...I read some places that coming off of a juice fast you should take a few days to ease back into solid foods. That being said....if we start the 17th, a 3 day would go through the 19th and a longer juice would go through Thanksgiving.
Ahh forgot about thanksgiving, yeah we will just entertain the 10th now.

Yes after a juice fast its better to ease into "heavier" foods. With only a 3 day fast I don't think you have to worry about this much but I will talk more about this as the fast starts.

Maybe also include a date for after thanksgiving?....I'd be willing to do a 2nd juice fast if the first one goes well
Yeah, I'll have to set another one up.

Maybe also include a date for after thanksgiving?....I'd be willing to do a 2nd juice fast if the first one goes well
I plan on making a prep video for you guys but for the meantime you can read this.

That site does a pretty in depth prep. The only real prep I do is have a high fiber raw vegetable diet the day before to help clean out my system. Of course if you are uncomfortable with fiber then don't do it. I simply do baby lettuce and spinach for salads the day before so it's not too fibrous.

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10-25-2012, 10:48 PM   #42
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Awesome! The 10th or the first two weekends after thanksgiving are good for me.

The site link doesn't work for me. Do you mind sending it again? thanks!

I don't mind doing fiber. I just have to be careful in what I choose and not have too much fiber in one day. I very recently learned that broccoli cooked or raw is now an extremely painful food to digest. Spinach, kale and other leaves are my friend. More dense veggies I have to cook before I eat or shred them very thinly to digest.
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I edited my last post, the link should work now.

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Sounds like a great idea I am in.

I just came back from an amazing week in the Highlands where I ate and drank an incredible amount of delicious Scottish fare.

Since coming back I have made 2 discoveries :
1, I have put on weight - yes! My insides are working again - my curves will be back in no time.
2, I have put on weight - No ! Eeek I will have to start cutting down on the puddings.

So it will be good for me to reset my diet and start again with a sensible one I think, I already have juice for breakfast and enjoy that so i am looking forward to it.
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lol, Awesome beach bum! Glad to have you. Does november 10th work for you as a start date? You're welcome to do any length of time from 2-7 but I would recommend at least 3.

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Yes the 10th is fine, I will probably go for 5 days, but could carry on till 7 if I feel it is going well.
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Gianni the only local farmers markets here tend to be a little more expensive now as its such a rarity.
The 14 is only an estimate & I think it may be the time of the year that is dictating that now. For Instance 3 small organic bananas in our local supermarket cost 1.80 & 4 very small organic apples were 2.30. It is appalling really that we have to put up with these prices as it used to be so different when we had greengrocers & local butchers etc only a few years ago.
I suppose If you live in a warmer part of the world then you have more choice & possibly better prices.
I do hope that everyone who tries this gets better health.
Although my Crohns didnt improve when I went all smoothie I did have more enery.
10-26-2012, 07:06 AM   #48
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I guess I can drink as much tea as I want - milk free of course ?
I have just ordered 40 worth of Suki tea with a fancy infusion pot, after falling in love
with it on holiday.
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10th would be great for me.
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I read last night that for those who can't handle the hunger pangs of juicing, that drinking a small glass of almond milk in the morning before your juice is OK to have during a fast. I think I may consider that if things get tough for me lol!
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Yeah tea and almond milk is okay especially for beginners. Personally I will only do water and Juice but I'm crazy and this is my... 10th juice fast I think.

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Haven't heard from you guys about whether the 10th of November works for you, just giving you a tag

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yeah giani no probs for me I'm ready got my juicer and just need to brush up on some recipies but 10th november is good for me
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Gianni -- thoughts on starting a new thread for the juice fast? Maybe have some easy to follow directions, recipes, etc so people can start to prepare? I want to link to it in my sig as well and am happy to help set the thread up if you need help.
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I was wondering if we would each be starting our own diary/blog thread during the event or would it be better to all be in one?
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Maybe a collective diary is good that way we can easily compare notes and experiences for our fast from start to finish? I want to start prepping by next Wednesday at the earliest.
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Yes a collective diary would be a great idea. I plan on making a video this weekend and posting it, explaining what should be done for the prep, what to expect, etc etc.

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Can I post my diary now since I know what is going to happen to me?

November 10th: Doing great! Feeling great!
November 11th: Feel good, kinda hungry though.
November 12th: Oh god the cravings
November 13th: I kicked a dog today. My wife went to her mom's for the week.
November 14th: Posting from jail on "Tank's" contraband smart phone, it cost me my underwear for 3 minutes of time. I'm in jail because I barged into a McDonalds and stole 50 Big Macs.
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Sounds a bit like mine
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