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01-18-2013, 03:46 AM   #1
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Hi everyone
Does anyone have any information
On lymph nodes in small bowel
And colon.
Is it normal for them to be present
And big.
Where should u find them.
How big should they normally be?
Really need advice.
Will update my daughters story thread soon
Just need to get information and thought first
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01-18-2013, 03:56 AM   #2
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Lymphoid follicles are right under the outer mucosa in the intestine, you can see them in a colonoscopy sometimes. There's lymphatic drainage issues in crohn's disease too, they don't really know why. It's normal that they are present, they're part of the human body, it's when they "pop" out in a pattern in the intestine that it's not normal.

Why are you asking all of that btw, what tests did you do.
01-18-2013, 03:59 AM   #3
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My daughter had scopes done
The GI came out and showed me
Pictures of small bowel and colon
And colon wall full of lympth nodes
Big swollen and red.
01-18-2013, 04:01 AM   #4
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I'll show you a pic.

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01-18-2013, 04:02 AM   #5
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that's a lymphoid follicle
01-18-2013, 04:03 AM   #6
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Ok thanks . GI gave me pic but I would like
To see the pic u post to compare.
Thanks
01-18-2013, 04:04 AM   #7
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Yes Lucy's doesn't have one her small bowel
Colon and wall are full
01-18-2013, 04:05 AM   #8
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They're early diagnosis signs though, she just got sick recently?
01-18-2013, 04:09 AM   #9
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Do u know what symptoms come with this
01-18-2013, 04:11 AM   #10
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outwards symptoms? a bit of pain I would guess, since they're transmural, mucosal inflammation like in UC tends to involve less pain since there's less nerves there, I don't want to guess stuff like that though
01-18-2013, 04:20 AM   #11
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I had colon cancer. When they remove it they take it in a field with clear margins each side of the cancer. They take the colon and all the connective tissue that includes blood supply and regional lymph nodes(they refer to it as the flange) I lost around thirteen inches and and thirteen regional lymph nodes six of which were cancerous. If the cancer gets to the bottom of the flange it is really hard to detect in the fatty tissue. The good part about the colon lymph nodes is that they are regional and not systemic and losing them rarely leads to lymphodeema.Sounds like the inflamation is stirring up your daughters nodes. I hope It settles quickly for her,Hugs Ron.
01-18-2013, 04:50 AM   #12
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GI said he couldn't see inflammation
I asked him what could cause this
Reply was possible allergy?
And could be normal
But he didn't want to put a cause yet
Till biopsys come back
Usually 3 weeks but he said will have them
Next week .
01-18-2013, 04:55 AM   #13
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I would not worry about cancer, there are a million and one reasons why lymph nodes swell.
01-18-2013, 05:28 AM   #14
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It would be great to find that all her symptoms could be put down to an allergy. Good luck!!
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01-18-2013, 05:40 AM   #15
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I hope so but not sure, I asked the GI
What percentage would he put it down
To allergy he said 25%
I'm so worried he wouldn't give me proper
Answers , I wanted to know if it wasn't allergy
What could it be , he said the biopsy will
Show what the naked eye can't see x
He also said that cos he couldn't see inflammation
Doesn't mean it isn't present.
I'm so confused.
01-18-2013, 05:46 AM   #16
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I think David and several others could elaborate on the possibilities of invisible inflammation. I think his dx is Lymphocytic colitis or something like that. You could do a search up top. It would definitely be something to research that may point you in the right direction.
01-18-2013, 07:40 AM   #17
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I'm glad she came through, ok.
Grace had CLEAR scopes!!!!! Clear as in no visible inflammation.
However, on the microscopic level it was really different.
She has more problems, than meant the eye.

Something IS happening in her colon.
You are right to be pushing for answers and the scopes prove it!
The biopsies will give the clear picture. Keep in mind the scopes can only see so far.
Their's still small intestines that only a MRE and pill camera can see.

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01-18-2013, 07:59 AM   #18
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Has any of your kids had colonoscopy
That showed big swollen lymth nodes
And have crohns or UC
01-18-2013, 08:13 AM   #19
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Has any of your kids had colonoscopy
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And have crohns or UC



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01-18-2013, 11:36 AM   #21
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01-18-2013, 12:00 PM   #22
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Holy poopy mess Batman!!! My little Sunshine-Clark has visible inflammation with ulcerations from his esophogus to his anus, inlcuding an anal fissure. He only had upper and lower endoscopies so some of the small bowel wasn't seen but I didn't notice any lymph nodes. Our GI didn't mention any either so I am assuming that he didn't have any. I am sorry I wasn't more help. Good Luck with your little one
01-18-2013, 12:04 PM   #23
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Our GI didn't happen to mention lymph nodes but he is a man of few words and I am on a need to know basis. I think at the beginning he tried to give me minimal info to help with processing. He also didn't say rectal and stomach inflammation until months later so who knows.

I hope it isn't anything too troubling.
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01-18-2013, 12:25 PM   #24
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Is lymph nodes linked to
IBD ?
01-18-2013, 02:39 PM   #25
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Stephen's ultrasounds and MREs have mentioned lymph nodes; it says "slightly prominent and enhancing lymph nodes, likely reactive in nature". Sorry, don't know what this means, assumed it just related to the inflammation and as GI never brought it up, I didn't worry about it. But, hmmm... I will ask about it...
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Andrew never had the lymph nodes showing up. As far as I'm aware the lymph nodes are like a filter system for the body - they try to remove any infections no matter where they are. There must be something in her body that the lymph nodes are trying to fight, but don't know if it would point anywhere specific.
01-18-2013, 06:59 PM   #27
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I going to look up the medical term but they show up on Sarah's ultrasound.
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01-18-2013, 08:58 PM   #28
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No swollen lymph nodes on DS 's scope
He first scope looked good visually but had lots of inflammation microscopically.
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01-18-2013, 10:03 PM   #29
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Lymph nodes aren't seen on endoscopy but nodular lymphoid hyperplasia can be seen.

Many children show prominent ‘nodular lymphoid hyperplasia’ that is considered normal in the small bowel especially, I believe. If the endoscoper was a pediatric GI, s/he would know what's normal in a 4 year old. However, an adult gi might not.

See if you can read the section on this google book on lymphonodular hyperplasia in this 2011 pediatric book.
http://books.google.com/books?id=FEf...atrics&f=false

I couldn't copy it.... but it said it was benign, no specific therapy and excellent prognosis.
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Sarah that what was called retroperitoneal and mosenteric adenopthy which i told is swollen lymph nodes. This quite common in children but not so common in older teenagers and much less common in adults.
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