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11-20-2013, 01:04 AM   #1
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Have any of you listened to or adopted principles from the bulletproof diet? http://www.bulletproofexec.com/

I've pretty much been on a paleo diet but have incorporated grass fed butter, MCT oil and some coffee into my diet with no noticeable effects. Anyone tried anything similar?
11-20-2013, 05:19 AM   #2
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Was paleo working for you before you went bulletproof?
All the 'ancestral' diets are similar and i don't think you will notice a big difference with little changes
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11-21-2013, 01:22 AM   #3
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Yeah seemed to be working okay. The only thing I do occasionally get is my fingers ache -I'm wondering if this could be due to the grass fed butter in the coffee. Aside from keeping a food dairy of symptoms, how do you guys know that inflammation inside is okay? Are there any specific blood tests you do?
11-21-2013, 01:34 AM   #4
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Never heard of this diet. I'll have to look into it.
11-21-2013, 01:51 AM   #5
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It's a sensible take on the ancestral diet,

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/start...letproof-diet/
-no mention of tubers either for or against, but most of the original paleo gurus have become ambivalent to carbs and dairy so long as they are 'paleo' (tubers) or grass fed.
14 steps, begining with the most effective moving as far down the list as you can (much like Kurt Harris's 'Archevore' diet [1] but hyped up like a Tim Ferris venture.)
-My current favourite 'ancestral' diet would be 'The Perfect Health Diet' [2]. He did a very good series of blogs on IBD [3]

[edit] just looked at the graphic and he does cover good vs bad carbs, as well as advertising (bulletproof) coffee) [5]

Yeah seemed to be working okay. The only thing I do occasionally get is my fingers ache -I'm wondering if this could be due to the grass fed butter in the coffee. Aside from keeping a food dairy of symptoms, how do you guys know that inflammation inside is okay? Are there any specific blood tests you do?
-Keep a food diary, patterns may emerge over time (some things will have a sudden reaction, some might take weeks to manifest, and things like deficiencies may take months or years to show up)
-If in doubt eliminate a food for at least a month and then reintroduce with a careful eye on symptoms.
Reintroduce foods separately and at least a weak apart (like AI paleo protocol [4])
-There are lots of tests, depends on you and your doctor, but if your doctor is clueless then you need to educate him or find another.

What did he say when you told him you were going paleo(ish)?


[1] http://www.archevore.com/get-started/
[2] http://perfecthealthdiet.com/the-diet/
[3] http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2010/07...g-gut-disease/
[4] http://www.thepaleomom.com/autoimmun...mmune-protocol
[5] http://www.bulletproofexec.com/wp-co...nfographic.pdf

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11-22-2013, 02:26 PM   #6
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Thanks Hugh lots of good info to get stuck into there. I have a Gastroenterologist but my GP isn't so clued up on Crohns. Would you recommend a different GP or different Gastro?

I was on the SCD for a little while but did find that after introducing MCT oil and ghee that I felt like I had more energy. True enough in recent blood tests I have great HDL but my LDL levels have also gone up. How are you guys getting enough good fats in your diet without the LDL?
11-24-2013, 12:02 AM   #7
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....... True enough in recent blood tests I have great HDL but my LDL levels have also gone up. How are you guys getting enough good fats in your diet without the LDL?
If cholesterol is bothering you then i would recommend reading (or, in this new-fangled age, download a podcast and listen while walking amongst tree) Chris Masterjohn
-while he is definitely on the 'fat is good' side, he has a bit to say about why LDL may rise, what it is telling you, and what things to do about it.

explore this site at leisure, he's the 'go-to guy' amongst the paleo bloggers.
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.co...ease-Myth.html
or a hour long lecture....
(with the relevant slides on a link)
or the podcasts (about 3 hours worth but great)
part 1. http://chriskresser.com/the-healthy-...ast-episode-11
part 2. http://chriskresser.com/episode-16-c...disease-part-2
part 3. http://chriskresser.com/chris-master...disease-part-3

So, I'm not saying high LDL is good, I'm saying it is a marker and may provide useful information, but good luck finding a doctor who can help you in any useful way

Edit:
-Sorry, too much info, just listen to the last podcast, sums it up nicely-

-total cholesterol up to 250 not abnormal in traditional (heart attack free) societies on ancestral diets.
-an increase may just be due to normal variation as the levels can fluctuate alot. Large increases or a consistent increase over a prolonged period are needed to be sure levels have risen.
-If you have changed the way you eat recently then it may take a while to find a new level.
-Ratio of total/HDL is (apparently) the strongest indicator of risk. LDL is a calculated value.
-some people find cholesterol rises after going very low carb or if there is a thyroid issue or if you have Familial Hypercholestrolimia

If you jump to 11:10 on the podcast -or scroll down the transcript to...

".......So, what could be going on here in these cases? This is what were gonna talk about today, and what kind of steps can people take to investigate a little further to determine whether that slightly elevated total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol is a problem or whether its just part of a natural physiological process.
What to do and not do about high cholesterol
Chris Masterjohn: Absolutely. So, the first thing that we need to understand is that there are good reasons and bad reasons for increases in cholesterol in the blood......."

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12-01-2013, 07:01 AM   #8
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I went from Paleo, to Autoimmune protocol Paleo (no nuts, seeds, nightshades, eggs etc) in hopes to heal my leaky gut and relieve gut symptoms... I have bulletproof coffee daily and am familiar with the bulletproof diet... (I had a link here but I can't post it... Will post links after I have made 10 contributions to the forum as per the rules)

Paleo with low FODMAPS and no nuts/seeds has made the most difference for me (FODMAPS seem to funk up my gut) there's a great list for low FODMAPS foods here: (failed link search eat-real-food-paleodietitian FODMAPS PDF) Bone broth daily as well as a few key supplements like probiotics, enzymes, l-glutamine and fermented cod liver oil (green pastures) have also helped. I don't have an IBD though... Just IBS + SIBO + Leaky Gut + Parasites... And maybe other stuff yet to be found. I'm healing all this so it doesn't lead to an IBD!

My diet has looked like this for the last few months but I'm starting to feel the effects of a very low carb diet (major fatigue, sleep issues etc) (failed link... On my blog linked in my profile under bio + gut healing diet)

I like the idea of carb cycling that is part of the bulletproof diet but I don't react well to sweet potato or rice that Dave Asprey recommends... He suggests a refeed day 1-2 times a week so you can get the benefits of a ketogenic diet with out the side effects (link here search 'bulletproof safe starches')

I'm trying to figure out my next move as I'm not so keen on the SCD or GAPS idea and everyday I'm getting more symptoms and more food sensitivities.
12-01-2013, 07:09 AM   #9
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Yeah seemed to be working okay. The only thing I do occasionally get is my fingers ache -I'm wondering if this could be due to the grass fed butter in the coffee. Aside from keeping a food dairy of symptoms, how do you guys know that inflammation inside is okay? Are there any specific blood tests you do?
If you search in google 'fix your gut bulletproof coffee SIBO' you'll find a gut friendly option for BPC :-) I'll come back and post the link when I'm able to you if you can't find it...
12-02-2013, 01:59 AM   #10
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Thanks Kris Ti. For others the link is http://fixyourgut.com/2013/08/14/sib...tproof-coffee/ .I suspect the butter was causing me some constipation, but even the ghee isn't perfect for me.

Hugh lots of great info there - and I especially appreciate the summary. Never easy getting to the real facts behind diet eh?
12-02-2013, 04:31 PM   #11
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Thanks Kris Ti. For others the link is http://fixyourgut.com/2013/08/14/sib...tproof-coffee/ .I suspect the butter was causing me some constipation, but even the ghee isn't perfect for me.

Hugh lots of great info there - and I especially appreciate the summary. Never easy getting to the real facts behind diet eh?
Careful with assumptions, exclude the food for a month and reintroduce.

As far as real facts about food, yup, there's a whole corporate industry (including agriculture, chemical, pharmaceutical and media) pushing crap (food and information) at us.
It's pretty simple though,
Was it food forty years ago? (GMO, artificial sweeteners etc)
Was it food 100 years ago? (vegetable oils, soy, processed foods, dwarf wheat)
Was it food 10000 years ago? Grain, Dairy. etc and importantly - do YOU tolerate it?
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