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11-07-2014, 11:46 PM   #1
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Kratom - More Energy, Less Pain - A Guide

I'm currently in the process of moving to a state where MM is legal. However, in the meantime I have been consuming kratom. I have been doing so for months before I even got diagnosed and noticed that it reduced bowel movements, provided energy, and helped fight depression.

I am knowledgable about the plant (over 6 months of experience + tons of research + communication with other users) and there seems to be a ton of misinformation out there so I decided to create this thread. I will do my best to provide good information without writing a novel (edit: I pretty much wrote a novel, but it could have been even longer ). If you have more questions, please respond.

Note: Before we begin, let me provide a brief caveat. I wouldn't recommend Kratom if you are constipated rather than have diarrhea. It can make constipation worse.

Like MM kratom is completely natural. It has been consumed for thousands of years in southeast Asia (unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to grow in other countries). Natives chew the leaves, but it's commonly ground up into powder.

Kratom is completely legal to consume in most of the United States (determine if it's legal in your country). Enjoy this while it lasts because we all know how big pharm and the government are.

Kratom has a bad rep. It's believed to be addictive and just another legal high like spice and bath salts. This couldn't be further from the truth (thanks again media). It's natural and is very safe when consumed in an intelligent manner.

The number one key is to NEVER USE EXTRACTS. Extracts are commonly sold in headshops and are the main reason for kratom's bad reputation. They are very addictive and can even cause hallucinations.

If you consume regular kratom powder you will not get high. In fact, the effects are much more subtile than MM. No one will know that you are on a "drug." You will simply feel more energized, happier, and more social. In addition, your pain will be reduced and you will have less bowel movements.

Kratom is not addicting if you rotate strains correctly. Basically, if you consume a strain from a different part of southeast Asia and wait 7 to 9 days before consuming the same strain, you won't develop a significant tolerance. Of course, you will develop some tolerance over time, but I've noticed that it is very minimal. I basically use the exact same dosage as I did when I started.

As for withdrawal, if you rotate strains and avoid extracts it's minimal. Many liken it to a cold that lasts a few days at most. You will only witness withdrawal if you consume kratom everyday, multiple times a day for months at a time. I have never witnessed withdrawal symptoms and do not feel any bad effects when kratom wears off (if you choose to let it wear off rather than redosing).

It's vital that you get good quality kratom. There is a ton of crap being sold out there that will provide mediocre effects at best and negative effects at worse.

You can consume kratom by making it into a tea, swallowing the powder (actually not as bad as it sounds) or mixing in into flavored drinks. Do not smoke it. In order to determine how much you should take, you need to experiment. Everyone is different.

Less is more. The more you take, the more euphoric (and more like an indica, couchlock high) rather than energizing it becomes. Once you reach a certain point, more will only make you feel worse. 4 grams may make you feel much better than 6. Taking too much can lead to nausea, sweating, and tiredness. These effects are not terrible. One time I got overeager and took way too much. I threw up within 20 minutes then took a nap. Compared to consuming way too much MM (forgetting how to breathe, spinning, etc) this was much better. If you are smart about things (start low and ramp up dosage slowly) you will never experience these overdose symptoms.

Kratom is best consumed on an empty stomach. The more full your stomach, the more you need to consume to get the same effect. If you can tolerate coffee, I highly recommend having a couple cups in the morning with kratom. Combining them is incredible for energy. I don't tolerate coffee well at all but I've noticed that if I drink it with kratom is overcomes coffees disastrous effects on my bowel movements.

Also, it is not advised to mix alcohol and kratom. I have done so without bad consequences but I can imagine that drinking a lot while on kratom would be a bad experience. I have not mixed MM and kratom, but many people report enjoying this experience.

Quality Kratom (the only kind you should purchase) will cost you about the same amount as MM per month.

I believe MM is the superior option for two reasons. The first is that unfortunately Kratom reduces appetite. That is the only real negative in regards to this plant. It's not super dramatic, but you will have to force yourself to eat even more than usual (of course, not good for us since most of us have weak appetites).

Secondly, I have no idea if kratom actually improves Crohns. Some people report that the plant has healthy properties but this is just hearsay. Kratom doesn't have the research that MM has so no one really knows if it heals.

Having said that, it definitely seems to help with side effects. If MM isn't legal in your state, it may be a great natural way to help you feel better with little negative effects. The best thing about it in my opinion is how much energy it gives you. Without it I would sleep all day, but when I use it I work for much of the day and even have a good workout.

I'm new here, but I bet many of you have either discarded kratom thanks to rampant misinformation (spread in part by people using extracts and/or bad quality kratom and/or not rotating strains) or have never heard of it. I hope this post has provided information from first hand experience that is valuable to you. Kratom is definitely not a miracle cure, but I think that it will be worth a try for some of you (again especially if MM isn't legal in your state).

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11-09-2014, 09:31 PM   #2
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Just wanted to provide a quick update.

Guys, it's incredible how well Kratom is working for me. I just got back to consuming it after weeks off (due to colonoscopy and other factors) and the effects are immediate and long-lasting. When I wake up I often D more than I can count, but the moment kratom kicks in I'm D free for 6 to 8 hours (I'm also taking a low dose too).

When it wears off, I start getting D again, but when I redose it stops. Not to mention the fact that without it I am so tired that I can't even sit in a chair to play videogames. I have been depressed recently (only diagnosed about a week ago) and it really helps me to see things in a positive light. It's not a strong euphoria like other drugs. The K simply provides a pleasant mood in the background - like you're having a good day.

I really hope that more people on this forum try it as it seems relatively unused. Trust me on this. As long as you dose appropriately and rotate strains, you won't feel negative effects from this and it can really make a difference.

Please, if you have any questions, whatsoever either reply or PM me. You can try Kratom for about 20-30 dollars I think (that will get you a decent amount of one strain).

And above all, I highly recommend choosing *vender removed*. It's more expensive, but it's the only vender I know (from experience + many other people's recommendation who use the plant) that doesn't sell low quality product (which often provides mediocre or even bad effects). I have never tried another vender so I cannot give out any other recommendations.

I know it almost sounds like a sales pitch, but I promise I have absolutely no affiliation with the company. Trusted people I follow online recommended it and I have seen great results. I just really don't want you to waste money on bunk kratom and disregard the plant.

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11-30-2014, 11:34 AM   #3
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I 've had Crohns for at least 25 years. My husband ran across Kratom about 3 months ago and we gave it a try. I've been taking about 3 tablespoons each morning mixed up in a glass of Gatorade and I feel excellent! We quit trying to treat my crohns using big pharma concoctions a while back but I still had a lot of problems until after I started consuming Kratom. So far, it seems like its incredibly beneficial for me.
12-18-2014, 09:42 AM   #4
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I so appreciated this forum! I have ulcerative colitis and wanted to know how often the strains need to be changed to eliminate tolerance? I only take a rounded teaspoon everyday, but feel great when I use it with the combinations of my medicine...
12-18-2014, 11:44 PM   #5
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I 've had Crohns for at least 25 years. My husband ran across Kratom about 3 months ago and we gave it a try. I've been taking about 3 tablespoons each morning mixed up in a glass of Gatorade and I feel excellent! We quit trying to treat my crohns using big pharma concoctions a while back but I still had a lot of problems until after I started consuming Kratom. So far, it seems like its incredibly beneficial for me.
Great to hear!
12-18-2014, 11:46 PM   #6
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I so appreciated this forum! I have ulcerative colitis and wanted to know how often the strains need to be changed to eliminate tolerance? I only take a rounded teaspoon everyday, but feel great when I use it with the combinations of my medicine...
For best results (in avoiding developing tolerance as much as possible) I recommend using a new strain everyday. Also, the new strain should be from a different part of southeast Asia (ideally).

So if you take a strain from Thailand one day, you don't want to take another Thai strain the next day. For instance, you can choose an Indo strain.

Tell me if you have any more questions.
04-22-2015, 03:57 AM   #7
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Thank you for making this post. I have recently begun using Kratom for other reasons, however my wife suffer's from Crohn's disease and I've been hesitant to suggest this herbal to her. One because of the "drug" stigma, and 2 because I'm not sure how her digestive system would tolerate it. I'm curious to know if during your use of this herb were you in a state of remission or were you in a flare? My only concern is that this stuff is basically pure fibre and I'm not sure if that much fibre would irritate her bowels or not. Can you tell me, did it ever upset your stomach? like hurt during digestion before the effects became active?

Currently she is using MM to induce appetite and reduce pain, but my concern with this stems from the fact that there is a study published on pubmed that shows crohn's patients who use MM have a higher incidence rate of requiring surgery. Now, the reasons for this could be that MM users "feel" better and so perhaps are not as vigilant with their meds or perhaps make poorer dietary decisions. I know that this holds true for my wife in that I've frequently had to remind her to take her sulfasalazine in the evenings because she has medicated with MM already and is in a state of forgetfulness. She also sometimes has a tendency to "munch out". She pays for it the following day. I would imagine this, enough times repeated could worsen her condition. Anyhow, Thanks again for this post and I hope others will consider trying kratom to help with symptoms. The long and short of it is I can say without a doubt that Kratom is a better option than opiate pain medication if you are in accute discomfort.
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