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07-25-2015, 11:40 AM   #1
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I've been adding meat to my diet this week to increase my protein intake, namely some ham and ground beef, and have had the most putrid gas all week. It's like the meat is not digesting but fermenting. I'm not bloated but very gassy. Mr. Google said to try papaya. I couldn't find the fruit locally, since I'm in a small city in the middle of nowhere. Found some papaya pear juice. I had some yesterday and this morning, and the gas is gone. I did some more reading, and apparently the enzyme in papaya is good for digestion and inflammation. To rule out a coincidence, I will be trying it again when I get stomach problems. Tastes good too.
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07-25-2015, 01:46 PM   #2
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Papayas contains papain... it helps in breakdown of protein. No surprise there, that you felt better. Many people take papaya enzymes on the days they have heavy meals. Its easily available over the counter.
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07-26-2015, 12:52 AM   #3
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Also, Tuff, ham is not an ideal meat to introduce. All processed meats are more difficult to digest and might contain things that are harmful to anyone with gut problems. I find lamb easier to cope with - but then I'm an Aussie and was brought up on lamb.
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07-26-2015, 11:03 PM   #4
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I'm going to go back to my lacto vegetarian diet, and try protein powder. I'm not getting enough protein, because I'm dieting and cut down on dairy because of the higher calories.
07-27-2015, 06:35 AM   #5
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Not sure if your priorities are loosing weight or gaining muscle?
The whole 'fat makes you fat' thing should have been lain to rest ages ago,
reducing processed carbs and eating more whole foods is the first thing to do. Walking and some resistance exercise is the second.
It should be possible to get all the protein that you need on a lacto-vegie diet (ovo-lacto is easier) but you can get complete protein by simple combinations of plant foods (like beans and rice)
-firstly, if you are not used to eating meat you will not have enough of the right bacteria to digest meat, and it will take a short while for their numbers to multiply to help digest the meat.
-secondly, meat quality....If your adding meat back do it slowly with small amounts of better quality meat
Susan2 is right, ham might not be a good choice, i don't know what quality it was and how much stuff was added to it - avoid meats with preservatives and color or flavor enhancers, particularly added nitrites.
Likewise if the ground beef was just ground beef then that's ok, but it is not uncommon for it to be mixed with fillers (even up to 50% in the worst cases).
Chicken and fish are probably easy on digestion
-thirdly, stomach acid and digestive enzymes,
you might not be producing enough acid and or enzymes, there are supplements (of which papain from papayas is one) but you might want to talk to a practitioner that you trust or read up on the subject as there are a few (for example http://www.drclarkstore.com/digestiv...mes-guide.html )
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07-27-2015, 10:26 AM   #6
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"The whole 'fat makes you fat' thing should have been lain to rest ages ago."

I'm counting calories, not avoiding fat on purpose. According to myfitnesspal, I'm not getting enough fat or protein on a daily basis. If I go over my 1200 calorie limit by eating more dairy, (cheese & yogurt mostly) I get enough, but then I'm not losing weight.
I get enough exercise. I'm allergic to eggs, seafood and a bunch of stuff, and can't digest beans, so menu planning is getting difficult. I tried chicken, which was easy to digest, but it got boring.
I was raised in a family that did not use a lot of over the counter medications, so I'm still not in the habit of popping a lot of pills, unless prescribed by a doctor. I'm just getting really frustrated trying to figure what to eat.
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I worry about supplementing protease. There's evidence that protease not deactivating properly in the colon is harmful to the mucosa and implicated in Crohn's. Targeted delivery of protease inhibitors to the large intestine has shown an improvement in symptoms.

Supplementing could work one of two ways. Either the body produces less because it recognizes that enough is present, or you're adding fuel to the fire. It may also no have an effect since it's a different protease.

Either way, I prefer to reduce variables.
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07-31-2015, 04:31 PM   #8
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I've been adding meat to my diet this week to increase my protein intake, namely some ham and ground beef, and have had the most putrid gas all week. It's like the meat is not digesting but fermenting. I'm not bloated but very gassy. Mr. Google said to try papaya. I couldn't find the fruit locally, since I'm in a small city in the middle of nowhere. Found some papaya pear juice. I had some yesterday and this morning, and the gas is gone. I did some more reading, and apparently the enzyme in papaya is good for digestion and inflammation. To rule out a coincidence, I will be trying it again when I get stomach problems. Tastes good too.
I have terrible trouble with meat and putrid gas afterwards. If you want to increase your protein intake without the wind, then maybe try plant protein instead like spirulina, chia seeds, hemp, dark leafy greens, edamame, quinoa, nut butters, tofu, tempeh, etc... My naturopath suggested papaya to me as something to eat if I had IBD pain, and it worked a treat. For three months back in 2011 when I was flaring badly, I was virtually living on papaya smoothies. They stopped my flare and I experienced the best health in years. Pity they are only nice in summer when they have rich red flesh and a caramel taste. The out of season winter pale papaya leave a lot to be desired in taste and texture. Never tried papaya pear juice but it sounds nice. Chefs and traditional cooks also use papaya in meat dishes to help tenderize the meat.
08-01-2015, 11:46 AM   #9
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A lot of the stuff you mention is out of my price range currently I'm trying to manage with a part time job. I tried old fashioned oatmeal, and can digest that easily. Along with protein, it has essential amino acids. This week I'm going to try smooth peanut butter, low fat cottage cheese, and chicken. It just takes a lot of trial and error. Salad greens went right through
08-01-2015, 03:01 PM   #10
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A lot of the stuff you mention is out of my price range currently I'm trying to manage with a part time job. I tried old fashioned oatmeal, and can digest that easily. Along with protein, it has essential amino acids. This week I'm going to try smooth peanut butter, low fat cottage cheese, and chicken. It just takes a lot of trial and error. Salad greens went right through
I find chia seeds and quinoa to be cheap; especially if you buy in bulk. Salad greens can be juiced to remove the fibre. The juice can then be drunk straight, or add the chia seed gel first before drinking, or added to broths.

They say that spirulina is the vegetarians "meat". The supplement may be expensive in some cases, but adding a teaspoon of the powder to water once a day will be economical and the container should last a few months.

You may also want to look at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Ue8Yc3vfw

If they are using it in Africa for malnourished children, just think what it could do for IBD sufferers. I have recently started to take it, and can feel an increased overall energy already.
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