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12-06-2015, 10:48 PM   #1
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Tips for eating healthier?

I've been thinking about my family's poor diets a lot lately (well, what I consider poor) and feel we need to make some changes. Unfortunately, I'm facing major opposition from the boys and DH. They're not willing to change and the few "clean" recipes I've tried they've just complained about and picked at. A waste of my time and of money. I really don't want to throw in the towel yet, but this is also causing some major rifts in family life.

Any suggestions for books or websites? Or tips on how to convince everyone to give this a try?
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12-06-2015, 11:02 PM   #2
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I am the one in our family with Crohn's Disease. My wife is the one who has been more open to making dietary changes. I have taken the harder route and fought change. Hopefully, your family will change their mind.
12-06-2015, 11:05 PM   #3
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We have this problem too! Extremely stubborn family members!
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12-07-2015, 09:12 AM   #4
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I have no idea . . . .but if you figure it out . . . please let me know. My family resists all my efforts!
12-07-2015, 09:41 AM   #5
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Well you knew you would hear from me! More later when I can type in computer. I have posted in the diet section aust of food videos to wAtch. My favorite book is clean cuisine. You can absolutely eat clean and appeal to teens etc. you just hit on a bad recipe. Clean just means nothing processed. But you also have to up the fruits and veggies.

Bottom line you have to go commando mom. Just don't buy the crap! If it isn't in the house and you aren't making it eventually they will eAt what you have.

I know teens have money and cars etc and can go get their own stuff. I let my college girl do that. But in the end her laziness and desire to keep her cash for her own use wins out.

Gotta go. Lots more later
12-07-2015, 10:34 AM   #6
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C's is harder now than when in HS. He was much more of a stay at home kid and even if he did go out it was after eating here.

Now, in college and not home more than he is his diet has become more typical teen fare. He never liked fast food and his staples were veggies, steak and chicken. His only take out was usually Thai (he loves their sushi). Now that he is always out, with friends, crashing at their apts his diet probably consists of alot more fast food, processed food etc.

This has evolved quickly. Honestly, it is out of my control beyond making him aware of how healthy eating habits contribute to overall health. He's not at the age where I can dictate what he puts in his mouth. But I do remind him often that good eating habits are a win win.
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12-07-2015, 01:06 PM   #7
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So true Clash and I always thought that if you catch them young while they are under your wing they would make wise decisions when they left. My college girl did the same as C! I felt guilty but glad to hear it happens elsewhere. But when she is home she is definitely too lazy and cheap to go in search of that stuff so at least she eats healthy some of the time when she is home.

The thing with the processed food is that it is made to be addicting. Seriously! They pay food chemists to figure out what needs to be added to make it addicting. This is why the slide happens so quickly. There are lots of "whistle blower" types in those videos that will explain their jobs and what they were asked to do and lots of science about why it happens so quickly and why it is so hard to stop.

IDK what it is about O. Maybe I caught her early enough or maybe she is just the type to want to eat healthy but visiting colleges she has crossed a few off the list because the cafeterias were positively disgusting (her words). Oh sure there was something for everyone but the fresh produce was wilted and old and gross...and heaven forbid the fish was frozen not fresh! I told her to go to culinary school...probably the only place she will be happy
12-07-2015, 02:55 PM   #8
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Good food can taste delicious it is just about making the right kinds of substitutions to make it healthy without them realizing it. I make a chicken parm bake that is totally SCD legal that my husband loves. What kinds of things do they normally like to eat? I can try to give suggestions
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12-07-2015, 04:00 PM   #9
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Good food can taste delicious it is just about making the right kinds of substitutions to make it healthy without them realizing it. I make a chicken parm bake that is totally SCD legal that my husband loves. What kinds of things do they normally like to eat? I can try to give suggestions
I would love suggestions! Since DS also has Celiac, dinners are usually GF for the sake of $ and convenience. High calorie, while not good for me, would be awesome for them (teen boys).

They love the typical bad stuff: pastas, pizza, pancakes. Of my current repertoire, their favorites are meatloaf, corn flake covered fish, baked GF mac & cheese, cheeseburgers. Pretty much anything with chicken is tolerated. I was able to get them to eat asparagus once. They'll eat corn, potatoes sometimes (twice baked potato casserole last night was a flop), but not much else in the veggie world. One will eat salads, one won't.

I just started reading "100 Days of Real Food". Interesting, but lots of conversions to fit our life with Crohn's and Celiac.
12-07-2015, 04:13 PM   #10
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My wife and I enjoy Amy's gluten free , dairy free vegetable lasagna.

12-07-2015, 05:03 PM   #11
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I'm back! O.K. so you do not have to go commando. It works for some but others need a gentler approach.

I would start with one area and not necessarily the biggest offender. This could be, giving up sugary drinks (including juices), or having one serving of fruit with breakfast, or having one serving of veg with dinner etc.

One approach that works really well is not deleting the bad things but crowding them out. So, you would have a rule...you can have ANY after school treat you want but before you have it you have to earn it by eating a serving of fruit or veg....before you know it, they are full on the good stuff and eat very little of the bad. Eventually they are actually reaching for the good stuff!

Take a look at the website World's Healthiest Foods. On that site there is a nutrition analysis. Have the kids answer HONESTLY the questions about how many foods of each category they eat in a week. At the end a nutritional analysis comes up and tells you what vitamins and minerals you may be deficient in and what the probability is. It will rank them from most deficient to least. Then they tell you what foods they suggest you eat and how many of your deficient areas it will satisfy. It is pretty eye opening and sometimes when a teen sees the info laid out in front of them like that they will buy in to healthier eating. Also, many of the suggested items to eat are really not that bad.

Let them pick a vegetable of the week to try and let them pick the recipes that sound good. If kids get a say they are sometimes more bought in to the process.

I have a stack of cookbooks and mags that my kids can go through anytime and make suggestions from. Of course O's diet makes it a little more difficult but there is usually a way around it. Plus the doc gave us the go ahead to be more lenient.

I forget, are you doing smoothies? Smoothies are a great way to get those yucky greens in. However, like everything else you have to concentrate on the "health" portion. If you are loading sugary yogurt or fruit juices in there you negate the good.

This is the same with any diet. I know some really unhealthy vegetarians and vegans...a vegetarian can eat doughnuts till the cows come home! Vegans can eat nothing but pasta and rice if they want.

As for your pasta lovin crew...how about next time you make pasta you toss a few vegetables in there...the next time a few more etc. Same with pizza!

I am telling you...let them watch a few of those documentaries and they will jump on the bandwagon quick...you can't fight with science! I also promise that once the addiction is broken they truly don't want that stuff anymore. The trick is breaking the addiction. Some docs say cold turkey, commando is the only way...you wouldn't give a crack addict "just a little" crack now would you? But do what you have to in order to get them on board.

I think you have seen some of my tips to parents of younger kids...little bit on the plate, no discussion, if they eat, they eat if not ten not. 15 consecutive exposures. Serve veggies first when they are starving...tell them meat will be out in a minute etc., cheese sauce or dip with veggies. Less sauce and dip over time.

Is this enough to get you started?

Recipes are tough because everyone has different likes and dislikes. You really just have to think of what the biggest offending ingredient or component is and try t clean it up.
12-07-2015, 05:07 PM   #12
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For pizzas there are excellent recipes out there using cauliflower or coconut flour crusts. That would eliminate the gluten and yeast problem that can irritate the gut. I also like doing eggplant as a crust too. Burgers can be healthy if you forgo the bread. You just want to use whole foods and eliminate processed foods as much as possible. Sugar is extremely bad for leaky guts of all kinds and causes inflammation and is hidden everywhere.
12-07-2015, 05:53 PM   #13
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CIC - remind me which documentaries exactly? My girls are more likely to believe science than mom!
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12-07-2015, 06:07 PM   #14
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Quinoa flour is great for healthy Belgium waffles
Add honey ( no sugar ) and blueberries or other berries

Quinoa ( gluten free ) can also be used in pizza crust
Spiralized zucchini /onions /tomatoes in olive oil
Lean ground turkey seasoned like sausage and sprinkle on pizza crust with veggies

Instant breakfast or snack
Cooked rice
Peanut butter
Honey
Banana
Almond slivers
Blueberries

Guac dip
Avocados
Tomatoes
Onions
Lemon
Garlic
Salt
Keep in fridge for healthy after school snacks
Just add their favorite thing to dip
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12-07-2015, 06:16 PM   #15
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Link to the video thread

http://www.crohnsforum.com/showthread.php?t=70264

Warning..each video does seem to push an agenda ie: veganism for health or animal protection, food politics, non gmo etc BUT if you watch with an open mind and an eye toward a healthy balance they all have something to offer.

Forks Over Knives for instance...very vegan slanted. You don't have to be a total vegan but they definitely make the case for more fruits and veggies and less animal products which about 80% of Americans could benefit from.

BTW - After watching Forks Over Knives my entire carnivorous family was changed! The very next day everyone was a vegan...we have morphed to 80% plant based diet (what can I say we love our cheese and eggs) and having meat Mondays!
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crohnsinct, can you just move in? Please? You can even sleep on the good couch.

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In the last years I have opened my horizons to international cuisine. North american cuisine flavors with fat, salt and sugar. I left aside this cuisine style completely. Cuisines such as Indian or middle east cuisine for instance flavor with spices. This makes a huge difference in terms of the quality of the food and nutrition value. There are plenty of very tasty indian recipes on youtube. I inspired myself greatly from chefs I found on youtube. Indian cuisine have lots of vegetarian recipes and they taste absolutely delicious. imo Indian cuisine is unbeatable. the variety, the quality and the nutritional value rank it top in my books.
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12-08-2015, 03:26 AM   #19
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We are the same here! I tend to just make sure they eat fruit and veg, I'm afraid I rarely seem to be organised enough to try new recipes, etc. We have a juicer so I try make a veg juice most days
12-08-2015, 09:57 AM   #20
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Great thread!! Thanks for starting Mehita!

All the suggestions above are amazing and are inspiring me to try to get everyone on a healthier diet AGAIN!

Frozen veggies and the precut/slivered veggies are great to add vitamins without changing recipes. I keep a bag of frozen peas/carrots/beans mix and throw in a handful whenever I'm making rice. I just toss it in when the rice is about half done. The slivered veggies (carrots/broccoli mix), I throw in with pasta. Like the rice, when the pasta is about half done, I throw in a handful of the veggies - then I top the pasta however I would have without the veggies. I also throw in the slivered veggies into salads or soups (easy to add a bit of variety).

Over the years, I've come to accept that precut fruits/veggies are worth the extra cost. I'd always hesitated on spending the extra just to have someone else cut or peel my fruits/veggies but, I've found that having it 'ready to go' means it is used and eaten more often. And, as far as the cost, I have less waste now so, perhaps, the cost works out the same anyway!
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Do you have cauliflower pizza dough recipe handy? I made one and despite trying to wring out all of the water it was moist. More like a thick wet crepe. And you just grill thin eggplant as a crust?

Right now I pretty much cook/grill clean whole food unprocessed organic grass fed spoon fed whatever SCD for my son and the rest of us eat crap. I need to reset. But don't ask me how much SCD kid's food bill was on a recent vacation! Healthy is pricey!!

I'll be watching for more tips. Thanks!
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We moved the whole family to about 80% vegan diet a few months ago. Pasta, pizza,stir fry, wraps, veggie burgers, veggie dogs are pretty well the rotation. We're appealing to kids from age 3 to 18 so someone always hates something.I always cut up veggie sticks and fruit (slices of melon or a bowl of mini oranges etc) to put on the table which is popular.

Chicken once every few weeks, and farm eggs a few times per week.

ETA yes the veggie dogs burgers are processed. It's a work in progress. At least no nitrates.
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Optimistic Ds eats no frozen or canned food
All fresh organic veggies /lean turkey /salmon
Homemade pizza crust muffin and breads (gluten free low sugar etc)

The rest of us
Eat crap
As well
Between Ds crohns exclusive diet which is scd based mostly
And food allergies and food intolerances
I don't have time left
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Wanted to add that out of the documentaries CIC posted Food Inc., Food Matters, Fed Up and Forks Over Knives are available on Netflix. Just in case anyone wants to convince stubborn teenagers!
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I think I have to bow out of this thread...I just ate a whole mini processed pecan pie! Stressful day!
12-09-2015, 05:08 PM   #26
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Implemented the "must eat a fruit or veggie for after school snack before other food" rule yesterday. It's actually going well! Not sure if it's a good perk or not, but the boys nag and remind each other. No words needed from mom!
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Mehita,

Sounds radical, but we made the house sugar-free. We were already using whole foods, so we survived.

At first, we actually all jumped in to support my daughter and for a while had nothing "illegal" for dinners. Anything my other kids wanted they bought themselves (we live across the street from a grocery store). Everyone was motivated by her huge improvement. The anti-inflammatory diet we were on helped allergies and eczema, so my husband and I still eats mostly the same way, but we're more relaxed about things for the kids (baked bread today - but only the boys ate it).

We do North African and Mediterranean cooking - Tagines and lamb stews over quinoa instead of couscous, poulet Nicoise, lentils with Tunisian sauce. Chicken or lentil curries are also fab. Tell them they can eat Egyptian rice and lentils with Harissa authentically - with their fingers! My family likes this stuff. And boys...forks....

Also, my daughter and youngest son like to cook. When they do the cooking they can't complain! We looked for lots of Crohn's-friendly recipes. There are some great ones on Elena's Pantry.

We tend not to do substitutes for things my daughter can't have. We look for real things other people eat and try new foods. Do you think your kids could get into making their own sushi rolls?

Some of the Food Matters films and the first Joe Cross movie (Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead) were popular at our house. Movie night?......

For "junk food" Beanitos and plantain chips work when you just have to munch something crunchy! I would totally avoid corn/popcorn.

Bake cinnamon apples on a cold day - no sugar needed. Just core and sprinkle in cinnamon, walnuts, and a few raisins (OK, that's sugar - but if they can tolerate raisins, it works).

Best of luck!

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It's January 1st and my conversion to clean eating is underway. Mind you, we're starting very slowly and with baby steps. Heck, maybe not even baby steps yet. Maybe just toe prints? Step one happened yesterday when I told the kids and DH that we're really going to do this. They're all convinced they are going to starve.

We are also doing a month of zero spending (www.livingwellspendingless.com) which suggests eating what you have in your pantry before buying more groceries. So, part one is to let them eat the junk that's left in the pantry. Since I'm the shopper, the second part is going to be on me to not buy the said junk and be more conscious of ingredients.

Dinners will be clean from here on out, since that too is something I am mostly in control of. I'm not going to fight lunch or breakfast yet.

I'm hoping to find a couple of the movies mentioned this weekend. We don't have Netflix and it needs to be free (zero spending!). Which movie should we watch first?

Last, if anyone has a favorite tried and true recipe, I'd love to see it. Especially if it's something your kids have loved. Pinterest is great, but can be overwhelming too.
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