I'm addicted to norco.
I do not believe this to be true. If the pain lasts a long time and the patient needs to medicate the pain away, they are inevitably going to become at the very least somewhat Dependant on that med.There are a lot of meds without codeine. Do you even need something that strong if you were only taking t3's in the past? Its highly unlikely for someone in real pain to get addicted also.
Is paracetamol like Tylenol?Just a quick warning- Ibuprofen is not recommended for use by people with Crohn's as it is a nsaid and can irritate the stomach and gut (like aspirin). I was told to stick to plain paracetamol for mild pain relief.
Paracetamol = Acetaminophen = Tylenol. It does not pose the threat of bowel irritation that the NSAID's do (Naproxen, Ibuprofen, Aspirin and the COX-2 inhibitors like Celebrex) but in doses not all that much higher than typically used for pain, it can be hard on the liver.Is paracetamol like Tylenol?
thanks for the info!Kello82:
Hi. I'm new and must get off the computer in a minute but I can SO relate to your dilemma that I had to respond. I've had Crohn's for 25+ years, 100+ Hospitalizations, 10-15 Major surgeries, written a critically acclaimed Book, etc. and I see a Pain Management Doctor Regularly - so - I believe I am credible on this issue.
Fentanyl seems rather benign as a "Patch" and my experience has been that it does not become addictive "Mentally" like the typical Narcotics we are used to (at least for me) but the Body become PHYSICALLY ADDICTED to it BIGTIME and thus you have to be VERY CAREFUL how you get off of it in terms of tapering down. I don't know how much you were on but let me give you an example of my last experience with it. It is a LONG story so I will spare you the details but because I had Two (2) surgeries within 3 months of each other - they couldn't find a Pain Med that would work for me. Finally they tried Fentanyl and it worked. The problem was that in the Hospital my tolerance built up to a dosage of up to 300 MCGs DAILY and that is an OBSCENE AMOUNT - but I was completely lucid.
I think I dropped 50 mcgs every 3 days or so until I got down to 150 MCGs. Then I wanted to continue this systematic detox but my body did not agree. In fact, once I got down to 100 MCGs, I got so fed up with the slow nature of the detox that on my way to see my Pain Management Doctor I tried to just go cold turkey. Well, it didn't work so well. I lost complete control of my bowels (in a NYC Taxi Cab - which was embarrassing but hysterical at the same time) and almost had to be hospitalized for a variety of possibly life threatening symptoms.
Accordingly, I had to METHODICALLY drop 25 MCGs every 3-6 days (under the supervision of the Pain Management Doc) and it took a few weeks until I was down to ZERO. If you try to do it any other way - you will experience Physical/Mental withdrawal. Depending upon how much you were on - and for how long - will determine the severity of the withdrawal symptoms. Clearly - you can't go from 300 MCGs or even 100 MCGs to Zero without weaning down. So, PLEASE be careful and take all of thsi into consideration and speak with your doctor. If you do it Methodically (i,e, 25 MCGs every 3 days) - it is PAINLESS. But if you try it any other way - it is MISERABLE and could land you back in the hospital (or dropping a deuce in teh back of a taxi cab!) Good luck and please feel free to contact me directly if you have more questions.
Now that you mention it, before I went in hospital the first time I had a really nasty virus. I had the worst sore throat ever (worse than tonsillitus) and was taking 6 ibuprofen a day for 2 weeks (and cocodamol which is paracetamol and codeine). And I was told to gargle with soluble aspirin. I always assumed it was the virus that triggered my symptoms but it was probably the nsaids.Oh no, Three years ago, when I got diagnosed it was because I had been taking 4-6 Ibuprofen a day for back and stomach pain. It made me pass blood so bad that the whole toilet was red. I was not sure what meds I could take though.
Now that you mention it, before I went in hospital the first time I had a really nasty virus. I had the worst sore throat ever (worse than tonsillitus) and was taking 6 ibuprofen a day for 2 weeks (and cocodamol which is paracetamol and codeine). And I was told to gargle with soluble aspirin. I always assumed it was the virus that triggered my symptoms but it was probably the nsaids.[/QUOTE
Yeah I just barely learned about NSAID's recently. I had never known why people with crohn's cannot take certain pain meds.
.... :eek2:GNC Crohn's Man;13499Remember if you are having intestinal pain then thier is only so much you can do... You can not take NSAID's they will cause your crohn's to flare... [url said:http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202743.html[/url]
If you have active inflamation in your bowels then you CAN NOT have narcotic based pain meds...
Anything that is narctoic based will cause intestinal slowing and blockage and will only make the problem worse... You may feel pain free, or at a lower amount of pain for a few hours, but be in even worse pain 4 hours later... Thus you take another pain pill to killl the pain that the pervious pain pill caused you as it passed through your body... Very fast way to get addicited, hospitilized, or even dead if you do this... Yes your intestines can rupture.... If you have lots of pressure (if you feel super bloated all throughout your intestines and stomach) then do not take a narcotic based pain med. Very much so if you are then going to take a phengran and try to eat (you may be starving due to a high prednsione dsages). If you do this then your intestines can rupture... If your instestines rupture then well you will either die or be live with a very very very not pretty pitcure of what is left of your intestines..
I am trying to help figure out what is good/bad that my mom is taking for Crohns and Ulcerative Colitis. She is taking Darvocet (around 8 pills a day, 3-4 just to get thru the night) and sometimes OxyCodone or Tylenol 3. I am very worried that she is OD'ing on tylenol.
She is bleeding again, it is flared up pretty badly.
She is in her mid 60's. I don't think this much pain meds are good for her, but she needs it to deal with the pain. What should she be doing? I am pretty far from her, so I can't be there to help, which is frustrating.
Thanks!
For the most part, a low-residue diet usually helps me during flares. Google that and you'll get an idea of what to stay away from.I asked her what she is taking now, what do you find that helps diet wise? Anything that is very helpful?
This makes me think that she should probably go to the doctor at least, if not the hospital. One thing that I've learned with Crohn's is that ignoring symptoms doesn't make them go away. It makes everything worse. I ignored my symptoms for about 9 months before I saw a doctor. Boy, did he yell at me! If she doesn't want to go, consider calling the doctor yourself. Maybe just talking to a nurse will pose them to call her and talk her into coming in to their office at least.My mom is trying everything to avoid going to the hospital, she thinks they would admit her if they saw her right now.
It is actually true that people in real pain who are on a reasonable dose of pain relief medication i.e. it relieves your pain, but not on enough to make you feel high, most likely will not become mentally dependent.I do not believe this to be true. If the pain lasts a long time and the patient needs to medicate the pain away, they are inevitably going to become at the very least somewhat Dependant on that med.
I used to get prescribed percaset for my stomach pains during flare ups, but started feeling like I needed them even when the pain levels went back to normal. Now Sadly I am to afraid to ask for pain killers and just bare through it.
I'm taking Imdur at the max dose (extended release nitroglycerin), Ranexaa(also max dose) and have nitro tablets for angina. The cardiologist said there is nothing they can do surgically because the blockages are all in micro vessles and it is calcium that is causing the blockage. He actually told me to go pff all the angina drugs and let nature take its course. Within 12 hours I was gasping for breath, the pain in the chest, arm and jaw was so bad I was seriously considering calling 911, so I took the heart meds and it eased off. I'm a wimp I guess. My internist, whom I saw later, was less than amused at what the cardio said and told me to stay on the heart meds.@heirloomveggies
What do you have to do to get your heart better? I'd try to focus on that, I guess. I've only recently had heart problems lately due to my Grave's, but it seems in the opposite direction of you. My resting heart rate was 80-90 for a little while. But if one doctor says no to better meds because of your heart, I wouldn't try to find someone who will say yes if they don't know your entire health history.
Careful, as a nsaid toredol is linked as causative to crohns and gastro bleeding and discomfort are prime contra indica's.Unless your in "real pain" they give you Toradol now... It is a strong NSAID and not addicitive... It is not safe for long term use though....
The american anti drug crusade (and canadian) is like religion . . . they instill an unnatural fear of the unknown, how any use of coke, pot or a recreational or prescribed drug will cause addiction and ultimately death. Every one that uses a drug is an abuser and convict in waiting, save and except those in congress and running the world.Wow that's a lot of strong pain meds an I thought mine was over the top lol
One thing I want to know is how the hell do we ever get off these meds without ending up in full withdrawal !
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That was 2 years ago an then I've gone to tramadol to dihydrocodeine at high doses , I can't wait for the day I don't need them any more but also dread it b coz of the withdrawal !
Actually, drugs such as Coke and Ecstasy can be lethal after just one use. It's scientifically proven. Not saying it will in all cases, but it's not uncommon. Marijuana, as much as I disagree with every aspect of it, is not possible to overdose on it. You would fall asleep before you could smoke enough of it to do anything. Drugs like morphine, Oxy's, etc can just as well cause addictions and even death depending on dosages. Random fact...Even OTC herbs can cause harm if misused and mixed with certain others.The american anti drug crusade (and canadian) is like religion . . . they instill an unnatural fear of the unknown, how any use of coke, pot or a recreational or prescribed drug will cause addiction and ultimately death.
Pure fantasy. give links and examples.The biggest thing about recreational drugs is that there really is no telling what is truely in it. Dealers will even "lace" the drugs with more addictive drugs to keep the buyer coming back. And simply people are just stupid now and are first off dumb enough to use, but then also dumb enough to mix. Last year one of the kids I went to school with was at a party and was so messed up he starting drinking methol hydrate (paint thinner). Long story short, he passed out and he isn't here today. He never did wake up.
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I can use those! :blush:I only use medical marijuana now as before is was diagnosed with crohns I overcame an opiate addiction. I used to take whatever I could get, 200mg morphines, 80mg Oxy Contin and finally Heroin. Yeah, Oxy withdrawal is worse than heroin I've withdrawed from both too many times. Oxy is synthetic. I finally went on methadone for 6 months and never looked back (after methadone withdrawal). I have 3 bottles of viocodin sitting unused and tramadols. I use marijuana now and hope I never have to experience opiate withdrawal ever again.
Gi docs never want to dx pain meds. better off asking a GPMY Dr WONT give me NOTHING!! NOthing! I don't know why. I'm in pain all the time! I bleed about a CUP OF BLOOD THROUGH MY RECTUM about every 7 - 10 hours (it;s actually slowing now) Also I had a biopsy done and endoscopy and it showed severe inflammation that has been here for the last yr. ANd still my dr wont give me anything. I'm in pain all the time and still nothing.. Why wont they give me anything?? This really makes me mad.
I have both. My family doctor acts as if hes afraid he's gonna hurt me and always tell me to ask my gi and my gi says pain medication wont do anything for me..He tells me to just wait for my reversal but THey told me they were gonna do that 8 months ago?? I've tried cannabis and it doesnt do anything for me I wish!Do u have a gastroenterologist or family doc? Ask ur primary care doc and if they don't give u anything ask for a pain management referral. Redundancy, I know, but some doctors are fearful of the DEA that controls these substances. I feel for u as I was bleeding as much oct 2010. Get the inflammation under control via meds then find natural way to figh inflammation. Cannabis is great for pain and available in Washington.
Oh I tell them.. Ive even went to their clinic and sat an the toilet and had all the blood come out and showed him.. He was like wow thats a lot of blood.. I was like yeah you think?? I bleed this all the time and it hurts. Please help me.. Ive cried and everything.. He's the only GI my insurance will cover.Does your primary care doc suck? If so, get a new one and shop around till u find one u like and will take good care of you. It's unconciounable what both doctors said. In fact I'd look for a new GI doc as well. Ask them today to please help treat your terrible pain. Tell them you are bleeding out the ass and in terrible pain. If they don't immediately say "what pharmacy are u with and what is their number" tell them that you are going to find a doctor who is compassionate enough to not let you needlessly suffer.
I just called him and left him a message. I have state medicaid. I've even sent a letter to the congresswoman she sent me a letter and said she would help and asked for all my information that she would talk to him. But that was 3 weeks ago.What insurance co? Tell them he isn't treating ur severe pain. Get a new primary care doc.