Protien Shakes and Crohn's

KB24 · Apr 10, 2016

Hi, I am working out more than usual these days and was thinking to upper my protein intake for Crohn's reasons and for muscle growth I have seen a few old protein shake threads on the forums but they are years old. What is the most up to date information on protein shakes and Crohn's? Any specific better than the other for example, whey vs soy vs hemp vs any other kind out there?
Personal experiences? I'm thinking to try Optimum nutrition (ON) as they are a top seller on amazon atm and have heard good things about them

Thanks,

Jimbo87 · Apr 11, 2016

Hi
I can only offer personal experience.
Hemp protein gave me the runs.
Soy I havnt tried.
I currently use whey and casein shakes. It's worth trying out a few different ones. Some give me a dodgy gut others don't. I'm currently using evox synergy. It also contains a pro biotic to aid digestion. Buy a few smaller packs from a few different brands and use trial and error until you find one that doesn't bloat you or cause other problems.
Hope that helps.
J

KB24 · Apr 11, 2016

Jimbo87 said:
Hi
I can only offer personal experience.
Hemp protein gave me the runs.
Soy I havnt tried.
I currently use whey and casein shakes. It's worth trying out a few different ones. Some give me a dodgy gut others don't. I'm currently using evox synergy. It also contains a pro biotic to aid digestion. Buy a few smaller packs from a few different brands and use trial and error until you find one that doesn't bloat you or cause other problems.
Hope that helps.
J

Thanks for your suggesstion. Ill look into that brand along with advice with a nutrionalist, where do you get it though? I see evox synergy no where in Amazon.

JaimeM · Apr 11, 2016

One of my nursing friends had bariatric surgery awhile back and I was talking about wanting to start a protein shake.. She had recommended the ones found at bariatriceating.com.. I tried them and liked them.. Haven't needed any protein shakes since however.

Jimbo87 · Apr 11, 2016

KB24 said:
Thanks for your suggesstion. Ill look into that brand along with advice with a nutrionalist, where do you get it though? I see evox synergy no where in Amazon.

I'm from the UK but currently living in South Africa. They sell the evox in the chemist. I decided to try it out and finding it working really well atm. It tastes good and no wind or bloating from it. I'm making good gains although I'm also exercising a lot eating healthy and combining with a few other supplements.

KB24 · Apr 11, 2016

Jimbo87 said:
I'm from the UK but currently living in South Africa. They sell the evox in the chemist. I decided to try it out and finding it working really well atm. It tastes good and no wind or bloating from it. I'm making good gains although I'm also exercising a lot eating healthy and combining with a few other supplements.

I might take a look into it after seeing what my nutritionist and GI say, also what supplements do you take? From vitamin supplements to protien buidling supplements?

Thanks

Jimbo87 · Apr 11, 2016

Where are you from? In the UK myprotein is the best place for cheap protein shakes they have a large variety.
As far as supplements go I take;
Multi vitamins
A b vitamin complex
B12 patches
Krill oil
BCAAs
Glutamine
CLA
Green tea extract
GABA

KB24 · Apr 11, 2016

Jimbo87 said:
Where are you from? In the UK myprotein is the best place for cheap protein shakes they have a large variety.
As far as supplements go I take;
Multi vitamins
A b vitamin complex
B12 patches
Krill oil
BCAAs
Glutamine
CLA
Green tea extract
GABA

Ok so you take krill for omega 3, CLA for omega 6, gluatmine for protein and for Crohn's, BCCA for muscle, and GABA for muscle as well. I understand the rest of the supplements just want to verify those supplements I mentioned above ^ since I'm unclear of those. btw, is gluatmine and L gluatmine the same?

Also, how did you come to the conclusion you need all that. All i take is a multi, iron supp, vitd sup, not sure if im missing anything else that I need. Did a nutritionist recommend all that or did your GI and your research contribute to that in anyway?

Also I've heard Green tea has some disadvantages, I will speak to a nutritionalist and GI once again soon about all of this but was wondering if you could answer those questions.

I'm in the US. and also could you list the brand names for each supplements so I can do some research on that and potentially see what can be useful once I speak to my GI and nutrionist.
Thanks. I know this is alot for a Protein shake thread but I feel like I need more information about what can benefit me.

Jimbo87 · Apr 12, 2016

KB24 said:
Ok so you take krill for omega 3, CLA for omega 6, gluatmine for protein and for Crohn's, BCCA for muscle, and GABA for muscle as well. I understand the rest of the supplements just want to verify those supplements I mentioned above ^ since I'm unclear of those. btw, is gluatmine and L gluatmine the same?

Also, how did you come to the conclusion you need all that. All i take is a multi, iron supp, vitd sup, not sure if im missing anything else that I need. Did a nutritionist recommend all that or did your GI and your research contribute to that in anyway?

Also I've heard Green tea has some disadvantages, I will speak to a nutritionalist and GI once again soon about all of this but was wondering if you could answer those questions.

I'm in the US. and also could you list the brand names for each supplements so I can do some research on that and potentially see what can be useful once I speak to my GI and nutrionist.
Thanks. I know this is alot for a Protein shake thread but I feel like I need more information about what can benefit me.

Hi

Yep krill for omega 3.
CLA I take as a fat burner. I didn't even know it had omega 6 in.
It's L glutamine from bio sync sports and nutrition. To aid recovery from workouts.
GABA hgh from supplements SA for muscle growth.

No worries I'm happy to offer advice.

No I no longer have a GI specialist or nutrionist. I have had Crohns for 19 years. I no longer feel the doctors kow what they are doing and deal with it myself. I have been on every single medication there is for Crohns.
Budesonide-ineffective.
Prednisone-bad mood swings.
Mesalazine-ineffective.
Methotrexate-caused extreme nausea.
Infliximab-caused anaphylactic shock.
Azaethioprine-liver damage.
Humira-ineffective.

I had an ileosecal resection in Jan 2014 which of course I needed a GI specialist but havnt been back to the hospital since then. Anything I take is based on my own research and talking to friends with Crohns.

KB24 · Apr 12, 2016

Jimbo87 said:
Hi

Yep krill for omega 3.
CLA I take as a fat burner. I didn't even know it had omega 6 in.
It's L glutamine from bio sync sports and nutrition. To aid recovery from workouts.
GABA hgh from supplements SA for muscle growth.

No worries I'm happy to offer advice.

No I no longer have a GI specialist or nutrionist. I have had Crohns for 19 years. I no longer feel the doctors kow what they are doing and deal with it myself. I have been on every single medication there is for Crohns.
Budesonide-ineffective.
Prednisone-bad mood swings.
Mesalazine-ineffective.
Methotrexate-caused extreme nausea.
Infliximab-caused anaphylactic shock.
Azaethioprine-liver damage.
Humira-ineffective.

I had an ileosecal resection in Jan 2014 which of course I needed a GI specialist but havnt been back to the hospital since then. Anything I take is based on my own research and talking to friends with Crohns.

Thanks thats alot to take in atm ill do some research on the supps before my next appointment. Also, just to confirm at the moment you are not taking any prescription drugs? And the reason you quit taking them was due to none being effective? How long have you been on meds vs not being on meds during those 19 years. And how often do you monitor yourself with doctors now that you are not on meds. Just curious.

Jimbo87 · Apr 13, 2016

KB24 said:
Thanks thats alot to take in atm ill do some research on the supps before my next appointment. Also, just to confirm at the moment you are not taking any prescription drugs? And the reason you quit taking them was due to none being effective? How long have you been on meds vs not being on meds during those 19 years. And how often do you monitor yourself with doctors now that you are not on meds. Just curious.

Hi

Sorry about the essays I keep writing. I like to be thorough and give as much info as possible.

No currently taking no medication. Probably been med free for 7-8 of the 19. Not only were some of the meds ineffective sometimes the side effects out weighed any possible benefits.

About once every 6 months I'll get a blood test done from my GP.

I have always self medicated with herbal and natural supplements mainly. I used cannabis for many of the Crohns symptoms for a very long time.

However I'm currently 9 months clean from quite a serious cocaine and ketamine addiction and my counsellor has told me I can no longer use cannabis either. Not even as a medicine. I'm still debating what to do with myself. I don't suppose you have any advice about using medical cannabis whilst in recovery from other drugs?

KB24 · Apr 14, 2016

Jimbo87 said:
Hi

Sorry about the essays I keep writing. I like to be thorough and give as much info as possible.

No currently taking no medication. Probably been med free for 7-8 of the 19. Not only were some of the meds ineffective sometimes the side effects out weighed any possible benefits.

About once every 6 months I'll get a blood test done from my GP.

I have always self medicated with herbal and natural supplements mainly. I used cannabis for many of the Crohns symptoms for a very long time.

However I'm currently 9 months clean from quite a serious cocaine and ketamine addiction and my counsellor has told me I can no longer use cannabis either. Not even as a medicine. I'm still debating what to do with myself. I don't suppose you have any advice about using medical cannabis whilst in recovery from other drugs?

No idea sorry, never been in that situation or know anyone in that situation.

CronieJ · Apr 28, 2016

Although your counselor may not want you so medicate with cannabis due to the psychoactive effects from THC, I have found CBD (the non-psychoactive chemical in cannabis) to be extremely helpful. CBD sourced from cannabis rather than hemp has shown to be much more effective so if you are in a medical state and canaccess CBD only medical products I would give it a try. If not, you can order hemp sourced products online, just do your research for the best source.

neonx305 · May 1, 2016

I lift weights at the gym 3-4 times a week. I use Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard whey protein. It give me the least amount of irritability compared to other types. Soy and hemp both were no good for me. I also recommend if possible to not drink protein shakes all the time to up your protein. I have 200g a day with only one shake a day. Meat, peanut butter, eggs and milk (regular or lactose free) help immensely. Also changing from 3 large meals a day to 5 medium sized meals spaced out through the day really helped me gain good muscle. I went from 153lbs to 170 in a month using these tips. Hope this helps.

KB24 · May 1, 2016

neonx305 said:
I lift weights at the gym 3-4 times a week. I use Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard whey protein. It give me the least amount of irritability compared to other types. Soy and hemp both were no good for me. I also recommend if possible to not drink protein shakes all the time to up your protein. I have 200g a day with only one shake a day. Meat, peanut butter, eggs and milk (regular or lactose free) help immensely. Also changing from 3 large meals a day to 5 medium sized meals spaced out through the day really helped me gain good muscle. I went from 153lbs to 170 in a month using these tips. Hope this helps.

I lift weights as well and feel against the need to use protein powder now since most have sweeteners, I try to incorporate protein naturally. Thanks for the other tips though, I do need to gain weight as well.. Also why 200g? Isn't the avg for an active person 30-50g.
I heard extra protein just turns into fat..

Also what Fruit/Veggies do you try to incorporate with meals. Offtopic but I feel like I need to get other Vitamins I may be deficient on and gain healthy weight...

neonx305 · May 1, 2016

I only have a protein shake post workout as why is naturally anti-inflammatory. As for the 200g 1g for every pound of body weight I want to be. Extra protein can turn to fat if you are inactive, but your body can process 30g every 1 1/2-2 hours if you are on a weight lifting regiment. I have 24-30g every 2 hours, sometimes 90 minutes on training days. As for vegetables and fruits I eat a lot of bananas, avocados are great as well. It is a myth that fats are bad, good fats in meats, avocados (lots of B vitamins and vitamin E I believe) and other foods are great for recovery and nutritionally. I eat very well cooked spinach, broccoli and kale (tons of vitamins including iron and vitamin K, a less common vitamin in foods). Needs to be very well cooked as i have a narrowing and even with less nutrients well cooked help me get good vitamins. Mashed potatoes (red with butter) are another staple for my carbs, olive oil is good too. Pineapple juice, greek yogurt and blueberries also are a must for me. Hope this helps.

KB24 · May 1, 2016

neonx305 said:
I only have a protein shake post workout as why is naturally anti-inflammatory. As for the 200g 1g for every pound of body weight I want to be. Extra protein can turn to fat if you are inactive, but your body can process 30g every 1 1/2-2 hours if you are on a weight lifting regiment. I have 24-30g every 2 hours, sometimes 90 minutes on training days. As for vegetables and fruits I eat a lot of bananas, avocados are great as well. It is a myth that fats are bad, good fats in meats, avocados (lots of B vitamins and vitamin E I believe) and other foods are great for recovery and nutritionally. I eat very well cooked spinach, broccoli and kale (tons of vitamins including iron and vitamin K, a less common vitamin in foods). Needs to be very well cooked as i have a narrowing and even with less nutrients well cooked help me get good vitamins. Mashed potatoes (red with butter) are another staple for my carbs, olive oil is good too. Pineapple juice, greek yogurt and blueberries also are a must for me. Hope this helps.

Thanks for that inspiration of being healthy lol. Still not sure why 200g though. Never heard most people that take that much even when really active. can you tell me what to search on google to see others recommending that intake of protien? Also, what supplements/ herbs do you take out of curiosity

KB24 · May 1, 2016

neonx305 said:
I only have a protein shake post workout as why is naturally anti-inflammatory. As for the 200g 1g for every pound of body weight I want to be. Extra protein can turn to fat if you are inactive, but your body can process 30g every 1 1/2-2 hours if you are on a weight lifting regiment. I have 24-30g every 2 hours, sometimes 90 minutes on training days. As for vegetables and fruits I eat a lot of bananas, avocados are great as well. It is a myth that fats are bad, good fats in meats, avocados (lots of B vitamins and vitamin E I believe) and other foods are great for recovery and nutritionally. I eat very well cooked spinach, broccoli and kale (tons of vitamins including iron and vitamin K, a less common vitamin in foods). Needs to be very well cooked as i have a narrowing and even with less nutrients well cooked help me get good vitamins. Mashed potatoes (red with butter) are another staple for my carbs, olive oil is good too. Pineapple juice, greek yogurt and blueberries also are a must for me. Hope this helps.

http://theconsciouslife.com/whey-protein-side-effects-benefits.htm

Also
",I would not recommend whey protein supplement to those who are suffering from autoimmune diseases."

Not sure how reliable that site is, but I agree in general less processed and more natural is better.

InstantCoffee · May 3, 2016

neonx305 said:
I only have a protein shake post workout as why is naturally anti-inflammatory. As for the 200g 1g for every pound of body weight I want to be. Extra protein can turn to fat if you are inactive, but your body can process 30g every 1 1/2-2 hours if you are on a weight lifting regiment. I have 24-30g every 2 hours, sometimes 90 minutes on training days. As for vegetables and fruits I eat a lot of bananas, avocados are great as well. It is a myth that fats are bad, good fats in meats, avocados (lots of B vitamins and vitamin E I believe) and other foods are great for recovery and nutritionally. I eat very well cooked spinach, broccoli and kale (tons of vitamins including iron and vitamin K, a less common vitamin in foods). Needs to be very well cooked as i have a narrowing and even with less nutrients well cooked help me get good vitamins. Mashed potatoes (red with butter) are another staple for my carbs, olive oil is good too. Pineapple juice, greek yogurt and blueberries also are a must for me. Hope this helps.

This has been well disproved and is more or less nonsense pushed by the supplement industry to get you to buy more shakes. It's closer to 1g per kilo of bodyweight, which will be almost half that.

Extra protein will only turn into fat if you're eating a calorie excess over what you burn during the day.

Protein beyond what you require, however, simply gets converted to carbs via gluconeogenesis, so it just becomes an expensive, alternate carb source. The only reason to eat protein is to hit your amino acid requirements.

The problem I have with most protein shakes is maltodextrin and sucralose which are both terrible for crohn's. They're terrible in general but especially for Crohns'.

Eridon2002 · May 3, 2016

It's easy to make you own whey protein. I use milk from pasture-raised cows to make kefir and homemade yogurt. I strain the yogurt(making it Greek yogurt) and use the whey that comes off. The kefir if you over ferment will separate into whey. I use all this in homemade smoothies. Commercial protein shakes are full of all kinds of crap.

KB24 · May 3, 2016

Eridon2002 said:
It's easy to make you own whey protein. I use milk from pasture-raised cows to make kefir and homemade yogurt. I strain the yogurt(making it Greek yogurt) and use the whey that comes off. The kefir if you over ferment will separate into whey. I use all this in homemade smoothies. Commercial protein shakes are full of all kinds of crap.

Thanks for your input, I don't have alot of time on my hands so not making it by myself and was wondering if store bought greek yogurt (chobani) / store bought kefir (lifeaway) is effective for giving protein/ probiotics in your experience/information. Also, what are your favorite sources of protein and how much do you consume daily?

KB24 · May 3, 2016

InstantCoffee said:
This has been well disproved and is more or less nonsense pushed by the supplement industry to get you to buy more shakes. It's closer to 1g per kilo of bodyweight, which will be almost half that.

Extra protein will only turn into fat if you're eating a calorie excess over what you burn during the day.

Protein beyond what you require, however, simply gets converted to carbs via gluconeogenesis, so it just becomes an expensive, alternate carb source. The only reason to eat protein is to hit your amino acid requirements.

The problem I have with most protein shakes is maltodextrin and sucralose which are both terrible for crohn's. They're terrible in general but especially for Crohns'.

Thanks, that what I also have came to the conclusion of. Now how much protein are you consuming/ recommend for the avg active person. My Nutritionist says I should hit between 85-100, as I am trying to lift and gain weight as I'm 120 pounds looking to gain. Also what protein sources do you recommend are most effective and that you use?

Eridon2002 · May 3, 2016

KB24 said:
Thanks for your input, I don't have alot of time on my hands so not making it by myself and was wondering if store bought greek yogurt (chobani) / store bought kefir (lifeaway) is effective for giving protein/ probiotics in your experience/information. Also, what are your favorite sources of protein and how much do you consume daily?

Homemade yogurt and Kefir have way more probiotics than store bought varieties. Plus with homemade you know they are potent and alive. Store bought yogurt has at most 5 strains of bacteria; store bought Kefir maybe 10 strains max. Homemade Kefir has trillions of bacteria and beneficial yeast at about 50 different strains. Store bought Kefir has a lot of sugar and additives in most of the brands. It doesn't take much time to make. You have to buy kefir grains(the bacterial colonies that you culture). I bought mine online. Then you add these to milk(whole from pasture-raised cows is best), let it sit on the counter for 12-24hrs room temp to ferment then strain out the grains and refrigerate. Then you add the grains that you strained into another glass of milk and the process continues. Not much hands on time. Yogurt is easy to make also; especially if you have a yogurt maker. Most of the time the cultures just sit and ferment

neonx305 · May 4, 2016

InstantCoffee said:
This has been well disproved and is more or less nonsense pushed by the supplement industry to get you to buy more shakes. It's closer to 1g per kilo of bodyweight, which will be almost half that.

Extra protein will only turn into fat if you're eating a calorie excess over what you burn during the day.

Protein beyond what you require, however, simply gets converted to carbs via gluconeogenesis, so it just becomes an expensive, alternate carb source. The only reason to eat protein is to hit your amino acid requirements.

The problem I have with most protein shakes is maltodextrin and sucralose which are both terrible for crohn's. They're terrible in general but especially for Crohns'.

Could very well be, I don't drink tons of shakes. Usually only one after a workout. I eat a lot of protein considering absorption issues with Crohn's and im pretty sure its the only way I went from 153 pounds to now 172 in two months, almost none is body fat.

InstantCoffee · May 5, 2016

KB24 said:
Thanks, that what I also have came to the conclusion of. Now how much protein are you consuming/ recommend for the avg active person. My Nutritionist says I should hit between 85-100, as I am trying to lift and gain weight as I'm 120 pounds looking to gain. Also what protein sources do you recommend are most effective and that you use?

I eat a lot more than I need because it's the only macronutrient I can easily eat without bowel distress so I don't recommend doing what I do, but I get as much as 200 grams a day. That said I gained most / best when I went on a low protein, high carb diet of probably 80g protein to 250g+ carbs.

Sources inculde:
-meats
-Fairlife milk
-pumpkin seeds
-roast edamame
-roast chickpeas

If you need a shake to hit your protein I highly recommend getting an unflavored type by myprotein or trueathlete brand and flavoring it yourself with REAL sugar or stevia to avoid the junk that big companies add.

Trueathlete is pretty solid, I used to buy it and stand buy it, it includes some probiotics that aid digestion as well as lactase digestive enzymes.