11-20-2006, 02:33 AM   #1
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UHT Milk and Dairy

UHT Milk and Dairy
mercola.com said:
Why IBD sufferers should only consume UHT dairy products

The standard method of pasteurization which is required by the FDA and
other public health bodies around the world is the HTST ("High
Temperature Short Time") pasteurization method. The HTST pasteurization
method kills most bacteria, by heating milk to a temperature of 71.7
degrees centigrade for 15 seconds. However, research has shown that at
least three pathogenic (disease-causing) bacteria are capable of
surviving HTST pasteurization. These bacteria are Mycobacterium
paratuberculosis, Listeria monocytogenes and Yersinia enterocolitica.

Mycobacterium paratuberculosis causes a chronic intestinal disease in
many animal species. This disease, which is almost identical to Crohns
disease in humans, is called Johnes disease, and affects primates
(monkeys, apes, etc), farm animals (cows, sheep, horses, goats,
chickens, pigs, etc), domestic pets (dogs, cats, rabbits, guinea-pigs,
gerbils, etc) and wild animals (deer, wild rabbits, llamas, etc). There
is strong evidence that Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is responsible
for some cases of Crohns disease in humans. See the page "Does
Mycobacterium paratuberculosis cause Crohns disease?" for more

Yersinia enterocolitica can cause fever, abdominal pain and diarrhoea in
humans. Listeria monocytogenes causes a food poisoning disease in
humans, called listeriosis, which can be fatal in up to 30% of people
who are infected with it.

The same risk exists for dairy products made from milk that has only
been HTST pasteurized. Such products include cheese, cream, butter,
chocolate, yoghurt, etc.

If these pathogenic bacteria are known to be capable of surviving HTST
pasteurization, then there is a risk that other pathogenic bacteria are
able to survive it also. For sufferers of Inflammatory Bowel Disease
(both Crohns disease and Ulcerative Colitis) this is an unnecessary
risk. The intestines of IBD sufferers are inflamed, if their disease is
active, and it is almost certain that infection with potentially disease
causing bacteria will make the symptoms of IBD far worse. Thus,
sufferers of IBD should minimize their risk of infection with these
organisms. Also, for a proportion of sufferers of Crohns disease, there
is evidence that Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is involved in causing
their disease.
11-20-2006, 11:14 AM   #2
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Thanks for posting this Mazen!

Did you write this yourself, or did you copy it from somewhere?
11-21-2006, 12:06 AM   #3
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OK OK! I broke down and had 1/2 a glass of milk the other night, but I haven't had milk in a couple weeks now! Seems I, and my milk issue, are the new community project!

Seriously, for those of you not used to my sarcastic comedy, thanks for all the urging to give up the white stuff. I DO feel better and am losing weight because I have cut out 3-5 glasses of 2% milke a day (oh, I should lose weight, that is not a bad thing with me, losing weight).

I really think it's a shame they let this get through the process when they COULD fix it so MAP doesn't affect anyone. *sigh*

However, now I have to find ways to give myself calcium. I am already having Charlie Horses at night. That happens to me without milk.

Keep up the research - - - and then we have to expose this!
11-21-2006, 03:43 AM   #4
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I got it from www.mercola.com
11-25-2006, 12:10 PM   #5
This all says the same thing as the rests of the MAP articles listed on this site, I will link them all together in a bit so that you can read them. This theory has been around forever.

Try taking some digestive enzymes, they'll help break down that dairy, not to mention the protiens, carbs, fats, and so forth.
11-26-2006, 05:47 PM   #6
Yeah the problem is we are yet to read/see firm evidence that proves that Mycobacterium causes crohns disease. Until then there'll be hundreds more posts like this, infuriating but nothing we can do. I wish there was more proof, but unfortunately there isn't.

11-30-2006, 05:40 AM   #7
We have just as much about this as any other "cause"....

Read this, it'll explain anything you're wondering about MAP

12-03-2006, 11:47 AM   #8
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I think a key point here is that any number of dairy products that only undergo HTST are potential time bombs for those of us with serious intestinal issues.... It really is a major risk factor for us... Perhaps a moderate risk factor for those without disease..

Question is.. Why aren't health organizations, federal agencies that administer this, and concerned groups like ours looking at changing the way dairy is homogenized??

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12-04-2006, 11:15 PM   #9
Dairy lobbying in Washington DC is one of the biggest lobbyers actually on Capital Hill, hehind oil of course and pharmacuetical companies.
12-07-2006, 11:25 PM   #10
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Where do you buy UHT Milk and stuff like this from? Do any of the major grocery stores carry it or do you have to go to a specialty store?
Be advised that I am not an expert or a Doctor so legally you shouldn't listen to anything I have to say.
12-11-2006, 03:15 AM   #11
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UHT milk, sometimes known as "Long Life" milk, is widely available in
Europe. Dairy products that require a long shelf life, such as the
little "jiggers" of milk/cream that McDonalds supply for coffee, are
usually UHT processed. Cartons of UHT milk for sale in stores will have
the phrases "UHT", "UHT Pasteurized", "Long Life", or "Longer Life"
prominently displayed on them. Cream that has been UHT pasteurized is
also widely available.

If your local store does not stock UHT milk or cream, call your local
dairy company/companies and ask them if they produce UHT products, and
if they do, to what stores do they supply them in your local area? If
they do not produce UHT products, ask them if they know of another dairy
company that does. See the page "UHT dairy products" for a list of UHT
products, organized by country, and companies that produce them, with
contact details.

I have not come across any brand of cheese that is made from UHT
pasteurized milk. If you wish to eat cheese, it should be heated to a
temperature high enough to kill any bacteria in it. The temperature of
boiling water, 100 degrees C (212 degrees F), should be sufficient to
destroy any bacteria in cheese. Thus, grilling cheese under direct heat
for a few minutes(so that it "bubbles"), or cooking it in oven-baked
meals, such as oven-baked lasagne, should effectively "home-pasteurize"
the cheese.
12-18-2006, 01:44 PM   #12
Hmm, all very interesting stuff. My grandfather on my mothers side was a dairy farmer, and he never gave his cows antibiotics or growth hormones or any of the stuff they do to cows nowdays. And I used to drink unpasturized milk right from the cow, and eat butter that was churned fresh from cream. And I had no problems at all with dairy until 1994, when I had to undergo a series of antibiotics to get rid of a virulent strain of pneumonia. After that, any dairy products made me horribly ill. And the lactaid pills made me feel even worse, and got my asthma in an uproar. But I didn't truly stop eating all dairy until I was diagnosed with Crohns. Then I got used to soy and rice milk, and found soy cheese and dairy-free margerine. Huge dairy farms today aren't as clean and don't care for their cattle the way my grandpa did, so I don't know that I would trust dairy foods today, even if I could eat them. There are just too many ways they can cross contaminate things, and Ecoli and other super bugs are rampant out there.
And BTW, Cara, are you a brown coat? I love Firefly, too!
12-19-2006, 10:46 AM   #13
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Oh ho! Someone got my signature! Shiny! I am not an official BrownCoat, but my best friend is. If you haven't heard about the recent con cancellation and what Nathan and the other guys did to salvage it, it's pretty cool. Yes, gotta love Firefly and Serenity. Didn't mean to hijack the post so . . .

I am still off the milk . . . I feel better and I am losing 1-2 pounds a week (which is good for me, having plenty to spare). I can still drink the stuff and eat dairy-related items, but I have given them up, except for the infrequent ice cream or pasta with milk in the sauce (both bring the milk to temperatures hopefully unacceptable to MAP).

I really want to protest to the diary board or something . . .

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