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My Son John - Age 9 - American in Germany

My son John was diagnosed with Crohn's at age 6 in August 2010 at a German hospital near Ramstein AFB.

As a baby, John was a big eater--we suspect this was the first clue to his condition. At only about 8 1/2 pounds, we were surprised at how much he would nurse. As the first of FOUR we didn't realize that feeding all night long was a little out of the norm. I mean, and this is before I decided to stay home full time, at six months John would got to childcare with 5 nine oz bottles. That's 45oz of milk! On a typical day he'd consume 27oz at 6 months and the doctors felt that he was merely a hungry baby. Hungry is good, right?

Well he got massive. Totally off the charts by a year old. Then after my wife stopped nursing--BAM--ear infections! They were non-stop for months. By month four the doctors decided on tubes (now keep in mind our German peds. ordered tubes for our 2nd child after the second infection and they treated the infections with a nasal spray irrigation of the ear...wow...at home). John was on antibiotics for weeks straight and at least once a month for 4 months.

He got tubes and things improved. He was always sort of wild, like he was pre-occupying himself. Didn't potty train until almost three and his stool was in large volume, smelly, and soft. The doctors thought he was fine because he was big.

We moved from VA to OH in '07. John was 3 and rambunctious. Not bad, just not a good sleeper and could not sit and play quietly. After 4 kids, I see the difference now as our other 3 occupy their time well. For the most part, they are all better sleepers too. Anyway, in '07 John excelled at anything athletics, lost the training wheels in an afternoon and took up indoor soccer. He was amazing, and we could see something was driving him. By 4 1/2, our third child came and then their maternal grandfather got a really bad rash. At first they thought it was poison ivy. No one suspected Celiac even though his mother was diagnosed with Celiac a few years earlier while in her 80s!! After many months of guessing, it took a walk-in center nurse to suggest Celiac and there you go, Celiac it was. The disease, although only 5 years ago, was still seen in a primitive light. Many of us laughed at Grandpa because he couldn't eat bread. Who'd ever heard of such a thing? I even thought this--having a grandpop who was, you guessed it, a bread delivery man for many years.

So John's maternal grandfather is diagnosed with Celiac in his late 50s and it meant nothing until John began to talk about "flat poops". At this point, by 5 years old, I had been home for over a year. I began monitoring his stools and weight, and even reported problems to his ped. He had problems for weeks off and on but still maintained his weight. The ped suggested a Celiac test but noted that "failure to thrive" and height/weight problems were a hallmark of GI issues. Of course, yes, because my father-in-law is 6ft 3! We moved to Germany and the test was never done. John was growing, so we were good, right?

We get to Germany in July '09. Things were awesome. Germany is awesome! My wife was just diagnosed with Grave's Disease, but looked super and felt great. We had three cool kids. Life was good.

Then John got sick with Strep. It was one episode after another, although not his first. In '08 he had got it a few times, no symptoms except for Scarlet Fever. This might have been when we first heard him speak of his "flat poops" I mentioned before.

Anyway, at one point in '10 we had him treated at a local military hospital with Penicillin and that's when the more severe diarrhea came. Before that John was really tired every night, normal for a Kindergarten kid, right? But I mean REALLY tired. By March '10 John was going twice a day and we were none the wiser. It wasn't until May when I noticed an unflushed stool that things weren't right. I suspected Celiac. And so did the German ped. We ran the gamut of testing and discovered deficiencies in iron, calcium, and a raised sedimentation rate among other things. We tried a number of diets and nothing worked. Then the abscess came, followed by a perianal fistula. This was August '10. After seeing his ped, John was sent to the hospital and had surgery performed--leaving a hole the size of a nickel to heal. It was horrific. It took 6 months for the hole to close. We got a 504 plan at school.

That week we had an upper and lower GI. John was six years old, and two months from seven years. The GI showed inflammation at the ilieum and colon. We started antibiotics and steroids. Azathioprin was introduced as well.

In the beginning, things improved a bit, but by November '11, John's calprotectin shot to 2700. Mom was diagnosed HYPOTHYROID by this point. We introduced MTX/folic acid and saw immediate results. These drugs continued along with Prednisone and AZA. Desperate, I put John on a Gluten Free diet in January '12, not knowing if the MTX would work. We watched his calprotectin drop and I did GF with him until July '12. At this point his calprotectin was at 300.

During our November '12 meeting, the specialist, already tapering the Prednisone, decided to cut it out entirely--without knowledge of the November calprotectin level. Being a compliant "sheep" of a no-nothing parent, I thought this was fine. Guess what? The calprotectin tripled from July--when I stopped GF to 1000.

So I lobbied for another round of GIs. This past January '13 I got them and an MRI. We discovered 30cm of inflamed small intestine. Colon was remarkably clean! No strictures, fistulas, or anything else anywhere. Celiac blood tests were fine (although I never saw the data!) Spoke to the specialist on 29 January 13 and he mentioned the biopsies consistent with Crohn's. Mentioned that John was considered a "medium" case.

Recommendation: Remicade

Currently John is on 100mg Azathioprin/daily, 10mg MTX/week, and 5mg Folic Acid/week. He's been off of Prednisone since November '11.

Right now we're leaning towards not taking the Remicade treatment. Beyond being a pain to administer, there's that fatal cancer risk I hear about. With my luck, we'd get it.

I don't buy what the doctor is selling. Why wean him off Prednisone without knowing his calprotectin level at the point of discontinuation? He weaned him based on a 4 month old test. Plus, here's some food for thought as mentioned by the doctor:

"Years ago we learned how to treat the GI symptoms. Then we got better at treating the actual inflammation. And now we can actually induce remission."

Thus, am I dealing with a doctor who is truly thinking in John's best interests, or is he greedy? That is, I'd rather have a malnourished and short son than a potentially dead one. I'd rather take my chances on surgery in five years and/or mortality by 60 than death now; however minute the chance.

We are scheduled to return Stateside July '14. We have the option to extend to July '16. I know we have time before making a decision on Remicade. I thought German doctors might be better, and some are as compared to Americans. But I don't know about this guy. Anyone know of a good GI specialist in the Dayton, Ohio area??? That's where we're from!

We are also scheduling my wife to get checked out. My theory is that someone has Crohn's in our family but it's been mild enough to go unnoticed. For such an early diagnosis, we're obviously dealing with something that has genetic teeth.

My biggest issue are kidney stones, but I haven't passed one in almost 4 years. I run everyday and have used that as a replacement for HCTZ. What a difference. Before '09 I had passed my first in '05. Then I began running daily starting in '08 and passed a stone each month for NINE months. You read that right. I was a weight lifter in college and I feel my stones stem from past diet.

Mom has the following:

-Hashimoto's Disease
-Iron Deficiency
-Nearly legally blind without glasses
-Teeth problems
-Bad restless leg syndrome
-Dad and Dad's mom with Celiac

John, btw, is back on a GF diet. We are on week 3 and he seems less tired...

As far as John's bio, he's into sports and that's about it. He's obsessed with sports, particularly football (Steelers) and international soccer (FC Kaiserslautern, Barca, Bayern Munich, and the US National Team). He plays soccer, basketball, and baseball. He's a swimmer and did gymnastics for a year. He now wants to do martial arts. He wants to play pro football and is in the third grade. He wants the Ravens to win the SuperBowl because he loves the AFC even though he's a diehard Steeler (mom's hometown!)
 
Wow you've been through quite a journey, I suggest you check out the parents of IBD section. I believe Hashimoto's Disease is also an autoimmune and I think I've read on here someone that has both CD and Hashimoto's Disease.
I will tell you the risks of serious side effects with the medicine are extremely small, less then the chance of them being killed in a car accident. That being said we all need to do what is best for our children and family and something you are comfortable with.
Have a look at EEN in the parents forum. Many of the kids have used it to induce remission and it works as well as the prednisone without all the side effects.
One of the biggest risks of this disease is its silent progression, you can go along thinking all is fine while there is massive inflammation going on inside even with a normal calprotectin.
Thus remicade for some of those kids and there are a lot on here that will tell you it is a miracle drug, I may be finding that out for my child shortly. While there is a extremely small chance of cancer, there is a higher chance of left un or undertreated, the complications of CD could also kill him.
I hope you find the answers you are comfortable with and we are here to offer knowledge and support. I hope John is feeling well very soon.
 
Just to put the risks into perspective...

The risk of your child dying in a car accident is 1 in 260. The risk of someone on Remicade getting lymphoma is 4 per 10,000 or .04 percent.

This is a great article that helped me understand the risk vs. benefits of different crohn's treatments. http://www.ccfa.org/assets/pdfs/risk-and-benefits-transcript.pdf

Your son's disease might be moderate at the moment but anyone who is diagnosed at age 6 will likely have a moderate to severe disease course over a lifetime. The last fecal cal in July 2012 looked very good. But it looks like your son has been steroid dependent up until November. Your Dr. might want to start on remicade because he is in a fairly good place right now which means his chances for remission are better. The worse off you are the more difficult it is to attain remission. I don't know all the specifics of your son's case, and I am certainly not a doctor but I think that the Dr.'s recommendation should be very seriously considered.

There are lots of kids on remicade on the forum and I am sure many of the parents will be by shortly to chime in on their experiences.

Has your son read about Matt Light? He played his entire NFL career with crohn's disease. He started in 5 Super Bowls, only 5 NFL players in history have done that. It sounds like your son is truly a fighter and has great things ahead of him. Please let us know how he is getting along. ((((((Hugs)))))))
 

David

Co-Founder
Location
Naples, Florida
Hi there and welcome to the community. I'm so sorry to hear about your son, that's tough :(

One thing about mom, I bet she has a magnesium deficiency (note that the serum magnesium tests are pretty useless). I actually have a theory that magnesium deficiency plays a pivotal role in the pathogenesis of Crohn's disease for many. And I'd further hypothesize that may be why your son nursed so much. He wasn't getting the nutrients he needed because mom was deficient so kept nursing in an attempt to fulfill his needed requirements.

Moving along, I agree with looking hard at exclusive enteral nutrition.

I PERSONALLY wouldn't allow my child to take azathioprine, MTX, and Remicade at the same time except maybe for the first 6 months. I'd consider just Remicade and I would consider just azathioprine if optimized properly. Though my first attempt would be exclusive enteral nutrition and Low Dose Naltrexone.

Be sure to connect with the parents in our Parents of Kids with IBD section. They're an amazing group.

All my best to you, your son, and entire family.
 

my little penguin

Moderator
Staff member
Nationwide children's is in Columbus oh
Or
Cchmc - cinninatti children's hospital
Both near Dayton and part of the improve care now network.

Mtx + Aza is very risky in my opinion ( just a mom though)
Either drug alone Mtx or Aza has the same lymphoma risk as remicade.
If your child needed all three drugs ( Mtx + Aza + pred)
Tells me he was not in control.
Pred causes a host of problems - blindness, diabetes , bone loss, adrenal crisis etc....
Really he needs to be on a drug that keeps him in remission and his gut healthy for as long as possible . Crohn's progresses in children and spreads unlike adults.

Please seek a second opinion at cchmc or nationwide .
https://improvecarenow.org/about/who-we-are


Read these
http://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/...9199/488d3bf6-5f6b-47ca-b263-9805277ba18b.pdf

Good luck
 
Hi there and welcome to the community. I'm so sorry to hear about your son, that's tough :(

One thing about mom, I bet she has a magnesium deficiency (note that the serum magnesium tests are pretty useless). I actually have a theory that magnesium deficiency plays a pivotal role in the pathogenesis of Crohn's disease for many. And I'd further hypothesize that may be why your son nursed so much. He wasn't getting the nutrients he needed because mom was deficient so kept nursing in an attempt to fulfill his needed requirements.

Moving along, I agree with looking hard at exclusive enteral nutrition.

I PERSONALLY wouldn't allow my child to take azathioprine, MTX, and Remicade at the same time except maybe for the first 6 months. I'd consider just Remicade and I would consider just azathioprine if optimized properly. Though my first attempt would be exclusive enteral nutrition and Low Dose Naltrexone.

Be sure to connect with the parents in our Parents of Kids with IBD section. They're an amazing group.

All my best to you, your son, and entire family.
Thanks, the doctor wants him on AZA just prior to starting Remicade, then dropping the AZA and keeping the MTX. Not unlike Prednisone, the AZA takes time to clear the system.

I will say this: we are now another week gluten free and we notice a difference in his fatigue. The brain fog is nearly completely gone. My doctor thinks I'm crazy--he sort of just laughs. Remember, we're in Germany and yes, he's German. Maybe something's lost in translation? He refuses to look at our family history. He just keeps saying John is not "Celiac"...

But for two *confirmed* first-line relatives who are full-blown Celiac, I'd never even consider going GF. Now we're learning more and more about thyroid disorders, and you guessed it, GF is a hot issue there as well. Supposedly, GPs are recommended to test for gluten intolerance in thyroid disorders. My wife hasn't even discussed it with her doctor. She's seeing someone else. Her DR recommended "coffee" for her thyroid-related fatigue... yeah.

It's okay to laugh on that one.

John's teacher is beginning to notice a difference as well. Seriously, for a spell, from August to January, my wife and I thought John was smoking pot or tripping acid. It was THAT bad. Downright NASTY to his siblings. Always in trouble at home. Indifferent or "lost" at school. We even tossed around the idea of an IEP. He's already on a 504. I'm a licensed principal btw, not practicing of course. I'm looking for things I can relate to.

Last year though, both gluten-free and low calprotectin, he read over 100 books for school! That was 2nd grade. He tested a YEAR+ above grade level. This August? He tested a YEAR BEHIND! He just tested again, and was over 200 points higher. His teacher is good, but not THAT good.

I'm totally checking out your theory. My wife has been iron deficient as long as I've known her btw, and nobody has really seemed concerned. My theory is that she is deficient in other areas not tested, or borderline. Never a sedimentation test on old blood tests I could find. Everybody seems to test something different unless you push for it. With John, his pediatrician (AMAZING German doctor the BEST PED I've ever had between three States and two countries) picked up on his sed rate and generalized it to IBD, then it was process of elimination. Apparently he orders a full vitamin/mineral panel, sed rate, etc. then does his checks.
 
Thanks, the doctor wants him on AZA just prior to starting Remicade, then dropping the AZA and keeping the MTX. Not unlike Prednisone, the AZA takes time to clear the system.

I will say this: we are now another week gluten free and we notice a difference in his fatigue. The brain fog is nearly completely gone. My doctor thinks I'm crazy--he sort of just laughs. Remember, we're in Germany and yes, he's German. Maybe something's lost in translation? He refuses to look at our family history. He just keeps saying John is not "Celiac"...

But for two *confirmed* first-line relatives who are full-blown Celiac, I'd never even consider going GF. Now we're learning more and more about thyroid disorders, and you guessed it, GF is a hot issue there as well. Supposedly, GPs are recommended to test for gluten intolerance in thyroid disorders. My wife hasn't even discussed it with her doctor. She's seeing someone else. Her DR recommended "coffee" for her thyroid-related fatigue... yeah.

It's okay to laugh on that one.

John's teacher is beginning to notice a difference as well. Seriously, for a spell, from August to January, my wife and I thought John was smoking pot or tripping acid. It was THAT bad. Downright NASTY to his siblings. Always in trouble at home. Indifferent or "lost" at school. We even tossed around the idea of an IEP. He's already on a 504. I'm a licensed principal btw, not practicing of course. I'm looking for things I can relate to.

Last year though, both gluten-free and low calprotectin, he read over 100 books for school! That was 2nd grade. He tested a YEAR+ above grade level. This August? He tested a YEAR BEHIND! He just tested again, and was over 200 points higher. His teacher is good, but not THAT good.

I'm totally checking out your theory. My wife has been iron deficient as long as I've known her btw, and nobody has really seemed concerned. My theory is that she is deficient in other areas not tested, or borderline. Never a sedimentation test on old blood tests I could find. Everybody seems to test something different unless you push for it. With John, his pediatrician (AMAZING German doctor the BEST PED I've ever had between three States and two countries) picked up on his sed rate and generalized it to IBD, then it was process of elimination. Apparently he orders a full vitamin/mineral panel, sed rate, etc. then does his checks.
I just looked over my records and magnesium was never checked on John's initial bloodwork--when his symptoms really got bad in '10. This bloodwork was ordered by his PED, along with a host of other tests (flora, c-diff, allergies i.e. soy, etc).

His specialist is really sort of hit or miss on what he orders for bloodwork. Last visit he asked ME what I wanted him to check (I told him he wasn't digging around enough). In contrast, our PED loves to dig, but he's obviously not a long-term solution I suppose. The two Drs. tend to disagree on some issues with John btw.

Liver enzymes etc., the standard stuff is always looked at, but I don't think he has ever checked for any deficiencies in a broad sense. Initially, John's iron was half the lower bound, calcium was just under the lower, and his sed rate was double. Potassium was fine.

As I read, I see magnesium plays a big role with other nutrients...

Of course, our specialist simply says "he can eat whatever he wants" and we've never consulted with a nutritionalist, even though I've lobbied for it. I was told it shouldn't be necessary. I've always disagreed but never pushed the issue. I tend to hold back as a guest in another country I suppose!
 
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